Meet the Swami who exposed the ‘Myth of Saint Thomas’ – An Exclusive interview

published on September 18, 2013

INDIAN HISTORY DISTORTED, HINDU COMMUNITY MALIGNED TO SERVE THE POLITICAL AND COMMUNAL INTERESTS OF THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH

The Swami Devananda exclusive interview with Pradeep Krishnan

Swami Devananda Saraswati, a Canadian turned Smarta Dashanami sannyasi, took his Vedic initiation from a renowned mahamandaleswar at Prayag in 1977. His  purvasrama family were middle class professionals and God-fearing Protestant Christians. He is self-educated through reading books on all subjects, with a special interest in religion and history. He has travelled extensively in Canada, USA, Europe, North Africa, West Asia and India.

Desiring deeply a spiritual life Swamiji reached India in 1967 from London, driving a French Citroen 2CV car, called a Deux Chevaux (Two Horses) because it only had two cylinders. On the way, he had to sell the car in Kabul as Pakistan would not allow passing with it. His mission was to find a spiritual teacher to guide him in his quest and was sure that India had an answer for him. He says that India was quite a different place in 1967 than it was today. He found that India was poorer but it was much gentler and closer to its cultural and spiritual traditions as modernity with its unlimited access to the shopping mall had not yet ruined the aspiring middle class. “I had left the West bitterly accusing it of warmongering and materialism, but I regret to say that the base materialism of India today is more than I had ever encountered in the West. Yet there is another India hidden deep within this greedy, rude and superficial urban India that has not forgotten it’s Dharma and still worships the Gods and the ancestors. It is considerate of the guest and the needy neighbour, honours the spiritual seeker, and still values the spiritual knowledge that frees a man from himself,” he said.

Under the pen name Ishwar Sharan swamiji authored the book The Myth of Saint Thomas and the Mylapore Shiva Temple published by Voice of India, New Delhi. The book has been well received by the Indian public. The 2010 edition of the book can be read on-line at http://ishwarsharan.wordpress.com.

 A devotee of the Mother Goddess from an early age, he believes that this devotion is the result of samskara, deeply rooted in him.  In his travels and readings, he realized that Hinduism is the only religion that helped the devotee to remember the Goddess every day. This was confirmed to him when he read the The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna. Ramakrishna was a Kali bhakta and worshipped the Devi in the form of a stone idol. He says, “This greatly impressed me, as worship of idols is held in contempt by most people including many Hindus. I have much love and admiration for Sri Ramakrishna and think that he has more to teach us about religion and faith in the example of his simple devoted life than his more sophisticated and much acclaimed disciple Vivekananda.”

Swamiji who lives in Pondicherry, in an exclusive interview with Pradeep Krishnan talked on his life mission, the myth propagated by the Christian Church on St.Thomas, etc.  Excerpts from the interview:

Q : What was the turning point in your life?

A : The turning point in my life came when my righteous father beat me for going to see a circus that had come to town. He beat me so badly the school authorities wanted to take legal action against him. I stopped them from doing that as it would have been a scandal in the closed Christian community we lived in. But I also lost respect for him and he became a complete stranger to me. He was a good man but he was obsessed with the stories of the Old Testament prophets and tried to emulate them. I left school and the family house soon after this event, at the age of sixteen. I wanted to see the world which I had been taught was very wicked and destined for destruction. By leaving the family, I became a free man. Or so I believed at the time. I would learn soon enough that there are very few free men in this world. Most men and women are bound by their desires or their minds are imprisoned in the same fundamentalist ideologies my father’s mind was imprisoned in.

A : Q : You are a critic of Christianity. What were the reasons for leaving Christianity and becoming a Hindu?

A : Your question assumes that I was at one time a believing Christian. This is a common mistake Indians make about Westerners and it should be corrected. Nobody is born a Christian even if they are born into a traditional Christian family. A person becomes Christian only after conversion—change of mind and declared loyalty to Jesus and his Church—and initiation by baptism and assuming a Christian name (christening). I was baptised before I was two years old and excommunicated sometime in my early teens. I was never a believing Christian and ritual child baptism without the consent of the victim has no meaning. But yes, I am an informed critic of Christianity as I have studied its doctrine and history all my life. The Christian Church is such a depraved and wicked mafia-like organisation I could not resist investigating it. In my view Christianity is not a religion at all but a political ideology that seeks world empire. It has no spiritual content, no metaphysic as Sita Ram Goel would say, and is nothing more than a personality cult centered on Jesus. A skillfully created personality sells as every politician and cinema actor knows. The irony is that no historian has been able to confirm if this poor Jewish rabbi of the Gospels ever lived. There is no positive evidence for his existence. This makes Christianity the biggest historical scam the world has ever known.

The central doctrine of the cult, vicarious salvation by human sacrifice, is a false doctrine. Nobody is ‘saved’ by the death of another man two millennia ago. That is just superstition and a refusal to accept responsibility for one’s own deeds. No Hindu guru would teach such an immature, irresponsible idea!

Christian religion aside, there have been many good Christian men and women. But they are good men and women in spite of Christianity, not because of it. This distinction has to be made. Christianity the personality cult and its vast, outrageously corrupt Church is one of the great disasters of human history. That is my considered opinion and one held by a number of reputed scholars.

Q : When you decided to become a sannyasi, what were your expectations?

A : I became a sannyasi out of love for Devi whom I regard as my mother. It also offered a supportive lifestyle for a dedicated spiritual life. There was absolutely nothing I wanted in this world for myself. I did not have any expectations about sannyasa, and I do not think it appropriate for a sannyasi to have expectations. Taking sannyas with these motives is sanctioned by the Yatidharmaprakasha and other sannyas dharma texts. I also had my mother’s blessing, which is a prerequisite for renouncing the three worlds if the postulant is unmarried (otherwise the wife’s consent is needed). She was always sympathetic to my spiritual interests and understood that I could never be reconciled to family life.

As a white foreigner who has lived with siddhas and sadhus and traditional Brahmins, sannyasa gave me an acceptable Hindu identity too. The unforeseen boon of taking to the renounced life is that I became a writer, a published author, and the administrator of a popular Hindu website. This is quite an achievement for a person who still doesn’t know proper English grammar. It has been made possible only by Sri Devi’s grace.

Q : Tell us about your guru? How did you find your guru or rather how did your guru find you?

A : I have had a number of gurus, all of whom appeared at the appropriate time and place to guide me in what I had to do. I regard all of them as Sri Devi’s gift. Spiritual gurus are one thing, and a formal diksha guru is another. I am a Smarta Dashanami sannyasi who took his Vedic diksha from the Acharya Mahamandaleshwar of Kailas Math in Panchavati, Nasik, in 1977 at Prayag. But equally important, I have had other gurus too who have been of great value to me. Sita Ram Goel is one, Vasanti Amma of Sri Vaishnavi Shrine at Tirumullaivoyal, Avadi, another. I regard Sita Ram Goel as a siddha, a man of extraordinary intellectual powers, truthfulness, and universality. His truthfulness made him a number of enemies among Hindu leaders; still he gave his life’s work for the upliftment of the Hindu Samaj. It is very unfortunate that this work has not been carried forward and that he has not received the recognition that is his due.

Q : Could you please share some of your spiritual experiences with us?

A : No. Spiritual experiences are very personal and not to be shared with strangers. My spiritual experiences won’t help you or your readers. Better that you do some meditation and japa and pray to Divine Mother for some experiences of your own. I would add the caution here that if an experience does not change the character of the man for the better—and usually it doesn’t—it really has no value and is just passing phenomena.

Q : What is your concept of God?

A : As you will have already understood, I conceive God as a universal mother. This is my personal approach. There is in Hinduism the concept of ishta devata, of a personal deity special and dear to the devotee. So another person may conceive God as Rama or Krishna, Shiva or Ganesha. This is a very wonderful concept and practice in Hindu Dharma. It is unique and puts to shame the only-one-god-yahweh-allah concept of the monotheists. Doctrinally I am inclined to Ramanuja’s view that the devotee’s focus should be on Ishwara, that He should be remembered and regularly worshipped according to the devotees means. Shankaracharya’s view of an absolute impersonal godhead without name or form—Brahman—is spiritually true but not practical for the man in the world to follow. Shankara knew this and established maths and temples with their different deities in various parts of the country, unifying cultural and geographical Bharatvarsha in the process. So he is called the Shanmata Stapana acharya. His Advaita is a doctrine for renouncers, not householders. Its popularisation as Neo-Vedanta has led to much misunderstanding and irresponsibility in Hindu religious life. Sita Ram Goel once told me that Neo-Vedanta had destroyed the Hindu religion. I believe this is true.

Q : What is the aim and purpose of human life?

A : A man or woman must be happy with themselves and helpful to others. The two go together. The ancestors should be remembered and the Gods worshipped so as to insure the continuity of family and community. When these responsibilities are fulfilled, a man or woman may go on pilgrimage to the holy places and seek a competent spiritual guru.

Q : What are your ideas of spirituality?

A : My idea of spirituality is to see the overall interrelationship of all beings but to act according to the specific need of the time and the place. The Kanchi Mahaswami, who once gave me an apple with his own hand though I was considered a mleccha in the math, once said that a Hindu should think universally but act according to the needs of his family and community. The ability to do this comes from insight into a situation through the practice of meditation and yoga. Spiritual practice, which might be called internalised religion, is supported by external religious practice which should never be ignored.

Q : Is there any difference between spiritual life and material life? How to connect the two?

A : Spiritual life and material life are related. The later supports the former. One must concern himself with motive and conduct in what is called worldly life, then he will get a spiritual life. There must be discipline in all affairs public and private. There must be no coercion or exploitation in personal relationships. One must be true to one’s word always. If a man can so direct his personal life, this will easily lead to a spiritual life. The idea that a person can just abandon his worldly life, his family responsibilities, his work or business, and become spiritual is not true. We have been born carrying baggage from the past and we must deal with this baggage responsibly so that we can become free of it and move on to higher things. The worldly life then carries us into spiritual life. Soon enough no distinction is made between worldly life and spiritual life. We simply do what we have to do in life—with the ever-present blessings and support of Ishwari.

Q : According to Advaita, Brahma alone is real and the world is unreal (mythya). How can we consider the world, which is part of Brahma, unreal? Is it not a paradox?

A : Brahma alone is real in an absolute sense and the world is real in a relative sense. The point being made is that Brahma doesn’t change and is therefore ‘real’, but the world does change and is therefore ‘unreal’. You must understand the whole doctrine of Advaita to get the point, not bits and pieces of it.

As human beings we must concern ourselves with the changing world. Advaitic abstractions don’t help here. They are wrongly understood and serve us no practical purpose in life. Advaita is describing a spiritual truth which we all will ‘know’ one day, but which in its popularized expression has only become an excuse for inaction where action is needed. Brahman is real and so is the world real which is a manifestation of Brahman. So act in the world accordingly, as the devotee and servant of Ishwara who is Saguna Brahman.

Q : Nowadays, it has become a fashion to talk about getting realized and enlightened?
A : People who talk about getting enlightened will never get enlightened. So never mind them. They are only passing time. Clever spiritual talk is the substitute for doing sadhana which if practised sincerely will in time bear spiritual fruit.
Right action is based on experience, realistic assessment of the circumstance and common sense. I am a great believer in common sense which is inherent in most people if they look for it and connect it with their life experience. They will then take right decisions and act fearlessly on their right decisions. Never mind this business about enlightenment. It is only a fantasy product our godmen sell to the Americans for money!

Q : Do we have free will of acting or are we completely owned and ruled by Divine Will?
A: I am uneasy with the term ‘Divine Will’ as it appears to be a Christian theological concept. This aside, my view is that we are placed in this particular life which is our destiny, a product of our own past actions, but in which we always have a choice of action to do this or that or the other thing. This is an expression of free will. In life we are always making value judgments. This is free will, or perhaps better called as qualified free will in the overall circumstance we find ourselves in. So in my view there is both destiny and free will working in tandem.

Most people are ruled by their desires and the natural selfishness of the human being. The Divine Will is excluded here as It is not compatible with human self-centeredness. We must work hard to come into accord with and be receptive to Divine Will. That is what sadhana and spiritual life is all about. The spiritual person is one who has burned up his selfishness through discipline and has become a vehicle for Divine Will to manifest for the benefit of all mankind.

We can’t blame our fate on Ishwara or Divine Will. Our life is of our own making even if we don’t remember the original cause. If we wish to re-make our fate, Ishwara will certainly give support to our sincere efforts to change.

Q : What are your suggestions for making Vedanta practical in one’s day to day life?

A : Vedanta is all about discrimination, being able to distinguish the true from the untrue, the real from the unreal. Learn to discriminate in your daily life and you are ‘practising’ Vedanta. As Vedanta declares the unity of being in all things, then the decisions and actions in your daily life must always benefit another. This is the daily test. Has your work today benefited another being—human, plant, or animal? If it has, you have successfully ‘practised’ Vedanta.

Q : How to bring in happiness in day to day life?
A : By making others happy. There is no other way.

Q : While Indian philosophy, culture and life style are getting more and more acceptance in the West, we Indians are busy aping the West …

A : I sincerely hope this is not true of all Indians. But yes, the West is benefiting from the vast knowledge and experience of Hindu civilization and it also has an appreciation of Hindu culture. And Indians are also benefiting from the West. Your life today is dominated by things and ideas that originate in the West. But like all traditional societies that have had the modern industrial complex imposed on them from above, Indians are having a problem reconciling their traditional values and ways with an amoral modernity, with so-called Western life-styles and its individualistic, secular culture. The problem is compounded when Indians accept and internalize the worst aspects of Western society and ignore the good aspects.

An example is the taste for flesh foods Indians acquire as their incomes grow. India has become a leading exporter of beef in the world. Hindus, including Vaishnava Hindus and Jains, are involved in this evil trade which is unspeakably cruel and, indeed, against the Indian Constitution. How has this come about? Has the greed for money completely overtaken the Hindu’s traditional sensitivity to the right to life and well being of all creatures? Even in the beef-eating West animals are not treated so cruelly as they are treated here. I have seen it myself and can tell you that the cattle smugglers operating in Andhra Pradesh, Tamil Nadu, and Kerala would all be in jail if they employed their brutal, over-crowded transport methods in Europe or America.

The British and the West are not to blame for this state of affairs. Indians and Hindus especially, are themselves to blame. We have fallen down and exchanged our values and highly evolved ethical traditions for blood and money. We must accept the responsibility and try to effect a change.

I have lived most of my life in South India with English-educated Brahmins who were all practising Hindus. They were able to reconcile their modern Western education and business life with their Hindu traditions and values. North Indians have a greater problem integrating the two sides of their life because their Hindu culture had been undermined by the Muslims before the British came along with their views of superior civilisation. So North Indians tend to be more Westernised than South Indians. In fact New Delhi is a very Western city. I have just visited it and cannot get over the fact that Dilliwallahs wear their shoes inside the house. It is the most un-Indian, un-Asian practise!

Modernity and Western pop culture and social practises are now universal and will not go away. It is for the Indian to find a way to reconcile modern life with his or her traditional Hindu values and culture. It can be done and I have seen it done in many families in Chennai.

Q : In India, particularly in my home state of Kerala, Christians, Muslims and Marxists are very active in converting Hindus to their fold. Your views on proselytisation and checking conversion from Hinduism.

A : Christian and Muslim missionary activities in India are an imposition on the individual’s human rights and destructive of Hindu society. These activities are also anti-national in many respects. They should be banned outright by the government. The problem is of such a scale that the government should act immediately. And it has acted—it has begun to issue special visas to Christian missionaries and by doing so legitimises their missionary activity! What a perversion of governmental powers! The government is protecting the missionaries and does not act in the national cultural interest. Individuals and organisations cannot counter the missionary onslaught by themselves as it agents are politically connected internationally and have vast financial resources. The problem is further compounded by the fact that the missionaries who are selling their ideological poison to Hindus are not white foreigners but brown men and women from Kerala who are Indian nationals. There are thousands of them and they operate all over the world. How to deal with them? Well, begin by taking them to court. That will put a damper on their activities. What they are doing is illegal even if a corrupt government gives them back-room support. Something has to be done about this attack on Dharma or Hindu culture will be eclipsed completely.

History teaches us that the barbarian is always able to defeat the more sophisticated, superior spiritual culture with his simple brute force and buying power. So to survive, brute force must be met with brute force. When are we going to learn this simple truth and stop trying to talk our way out of tough circumstances? When has inter-faith dialogue ever served the Hindu interest?

Q : Nowadays, spiritual leaders, particularly Hindu saints, make it a point to say that all religions are the same. However, Christian and Muslim religious leaders / scholars assert that ‘salvation’ is possible only through their chosen path. What are your comments?

A : When Hindu godmen teach that all religions are the same they are doing a grave disservice to their own religion. Either they don’t know anything about religion, or they are simply being politically correct and scoring brownie points. Each religion has a different name and a different concept of God. Each religion has different objectives. These may not be compatible with Hindu concepts or objectives. In fact they are not. The two major world religions, Christianity and Islam, are not religions at all as the Hindu understands the term. They are political ideologies that seek world dominance. Nothing more, nothing less. That is the ‘salvation’ they offer to the gullible. Hindus should understand this truth and learn how to defend themselves and preserve Dharma. If a Hindu saint or guru resorts to the Neo-Vedantic shibboleth that all religions are the same, they should be challenged by knowledgeable people in the audience. No responsible Hindu should sit quietly when they hear this nonsense from a Hindu speaker. This problem has been thoroughly dealt with by the Vaishnava scholar Frank Morales in his famous essay “Neo-Vedanta: The Problem with Hindu Universalism”.

Q : How do you view the caste system and the resultant discrimination meted out to the downtrodden masses?

A : I understand caste to be a sophisticated social management system that integrated diverse groups of people into a Hindu nation. Seen this way caste offered security and support to groups that were different from each other but were also part of the greater society that made up Bharatvarsha. Caste appears to have been quite liberal in its application in its early stages and individuals could also move between castes depending on their character and occupation. But the system was attacked and perverted by the invading Muslims. In order to protect itself, Hindu society closed in on itself and caste became rigid, self-righteous, and identified with one’s birth rather than one’s work or character. Abuses and prejudices grew and abounded. But I believe caste did in fact save Hindu society to some extent from the depredations of the Muslims. They, like the Christian missionaries after them, were able to change the Hindu’s religion but not his caste. The result was that both Abrahamic religions, who oppose caste ideologically, had to accommodate it. The Muslims did this racially: the more Arab or Persian blood in the Indian Muslim, the higher his or her caste status. For example, the Nawab of Arcot in Chennai makes a point of the fact that he is of pure Persian descent without any Indian admixture into his family. This makes him a high caste Muslim and therefore he can assume a leadership role in the South Indian Muslim community. Christians, especially Kerala Christians, are notoriously casteist. In fact the appellation “St. Thomas Christian” was first employed by the Franciscan missionary Giovanni dei Marignolli in 1350, in Kollam, to distinguish his Syrian Christian converts from his lower caste Hindu converts. In Tamil Nadu upper and lower caste Christians still fight each other for Church privileges. Caste identity has even followed the Indian Christian to heaven as Dalit and upper caste Christians are buried in different grave yards.
Caste is very must part of the Hindu identity and plays a part in many traditional family and religious rituals. There is no reason to discard it. Rather, its role in social relationships today should be modified to suit the times. Untouchability, which is a perversion of the relationship between castes, should be abandoned. Modern urban life undermines rigid caste prejudices and this may be considered a positive social development.

Q : What is the basis of your thesis that St. Thomas did not visit Kerala and convert Brahmins to Christianity?

A : The question should be reversed. What is the basis for the Christian thesis that St. Thomas came to India and converted Brahmins to Christianity? As Kerala Christians have made a positive claim for an important event in Indian history, they are obliged to provide evidence for their claim. They have not been able to do so. Their claim is based on legends their ancestors brought with them to India in the 4th century when, historically, the first Christian refugees from Syria and Mesopotamia arrived in Muziris, the great trading port at the mouth of the Periyar River. There is no historical record of Christians in India prior to the 4th century, neither is there any record of Namboodiri Brahmins resident in Kerala prior to the 4th century (some scholars say 6th and even 8th century). Namboodiris appear to have migrated to Kerala from the Himalayan foothills sometime after the 3rd century CE. The Syrian Christian claim that they are the descendants of Namboodiris converted by Thomas in the 1st century is a concocted social linage to give them caste status. In fact early Christian immigrants in India, 4th century and after were given the social status of Nairs by the local rajas.
My interest in the St. Thomas in India tale was provoked when a Tamil scholar who was a government officer brought me his detailed research notes into the legend as it is known in Mylapore. I had read Christian history in detail from a young age and was aware that many claims made by Christian historians and the Catholic Church were simply false. For example, I knew that the claim that St. Peter had visited Rome and had been executed there was false—never mind that the authority of the pope in Rome rests on this fable. I also knew that the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem, allegedly marking the birthplace of Jesus, was in fact originally an Adonis Temple destroyed by Emperor Constantine at the instigation of his mother Helena who was a fanatic Christian convert. The town of Nazareth, supposed childhood home of Jesus, did not exist in the 1st century though it plays an important role in Christian mythology. Even more interesting, the historical existence for a man called Yeshua (Jesus) has not yet been established though the most reputed Christian scholars have looked into matter for hundreds of years. Many of these scholars also deny the historical existence of St. Thomas who, according to the Acts of Thomas, was the twin brother of Jesus.
I was interested in the Indian counterpart of these Christian fables, the story that Thomas the Apostle had arrived on the Kerala coast in 52 CE and had converted some Brahmins by making water stand in the air while they were performing their sandhyavandanam rituals by a tank. I found after going through a vast amount of material, that there was no historical evidence to support this claim at all. More than this, I found that there was positive evidence that he did not come to South India. The Early Church Fathers Clement and Origen (c. 2nd and 3rd century) both state that Thomas went to Parthia (Persia) and it is accepted by historians that he established a church in Fars (a southern province of Persia). Eusebius (c. 3rd century), the first Christian historian, also says he went to Parthia, as, indeed, did Pope Benedict XVIII in 2006, much to the dismay of the Kerala bishops.

I wrote an essay on my findings under the name Ishwar Sharan, incorporating the research of the Tamil scholar, and after it was published by Sita Ram Goel (who had also researched the St. Thomas legend and found it wanting), sent the book to The Indian Express and The Hindu for review. The response of these editors was shocking and unprofessional. They put out feature articles in their newspapers promoting the legend which claimed that Thomas was assassinated by a Hindu king of Mylapore called Mahadevan (obviously a reference to Kapaleeswara Shiva) and his jealous Brahmin priests. This particular Mylapore fable was made up by the Portuguese and is a blood libel on the Hindu community. Just as Christians claim that Jews killed Jesus, so the Church in India and the secular mainstream media claim that Hindus killed Thomas. They reject the historical facts altogether and stand by the concocted communal tale.
The book which no newspaper would touch with a barge pole—except The Pioneer who published a fine review by Sandhya Jain—has now gone into three editions and is famous in India and abroad. Still the newspapers and the Christian-controlled encyclopedias Britannica and Wikipedia will not correct their St. Thomas entries. Wikipedia’s Thomas the Apostle page is administered by the Syrian Christian Tinucherian who does not allow any positive historical changes to the St. Thomas entry. I have tried to make changes as have other informed editors, but our contributions are always rolled back and deleted. Wikipedia’s India pages have a become a platform for Christian propaganda and this is unfortunate as the encyclopedia is otherwise a very useful reference.

The full story of the St. Thomas in India legend is available on-line to read or download. Anybody interested in India’s past should take a look at the book and consider how Indian history is being distorted and the Hindu community maligned to serve the political and communal interests of the Indian Church.

Q : We have been continuously destroying our planet earth by our actions. What is the solution? Even though we worship the river Ganga, at several places it has been completely polluted. Why this paradox? While Hindus worship the rivers / mountains / trees, we indiscriminately act against our mother nature. What is the solution?

A : Yes, the whole earth is there for our benefit if we are willing to nurture and protect her. But unfortunately the modern capitalist system, big business, the mad rush by all countries to industrialize and ‘progress’ without proper, long-term planning, have caused the trees to be cut and the rivers to be poisoned even though they are the very source of our own life here on earth.

Indians too have lost their traditional values and responsibility towards nature in the process of modernizing since Independence. Any attempt to correct this dangerous state of affairs is thwarted by corruption at every level of Indian civil life. I don’t know what the solution can be without clean and credible leaders in public life—which at the moment we do not have. The problem of environmental degradation is too big for individuals to tackle. Still, if we act responsibly in our private lives, reduce waste especially of food and water, stop using plastic a

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  1. Dr.MrsNKulkarniMD Reply

    September 19, 2013 at 12:59 am

    Brilliant!

    Thank you for publishing this excellent interview. It must be read by all Hindus and circulated widely in India amongst the westernised Indian media’s pseudo intelluctuals and amongst Hindu organisations like the RSS and the BJP who need to be aware of the danger of treating all religions alike when some are simply political ideologies.

    No foreign government will allow the extent of subversion engaged in by these agencies and the damage done to India as in the last few years.

  2. T V Cherian Reply

    September 19, 2013 at 8:06 am

    St Thomas Christians
    Thank you HK for publishing interesting article. So the following can be concluded.
    1. Christians in Kerala has the tradition from 4th Century where as Nambudhiri’s have history even later to that.
    2.The great port of Muziris exist in history as a trading hub with the west.
    3. Christians in Kerala are not lower caste converts by Europeans as mentioned in prior HK.
    4. Christians in Kerala are equal to the status of Nairs in history.

  3. swaraj Reply

    September 20, 2013 at 4:47 am

    programmed mind
    Cherianji
    A great mind has brought out incredible information.Look what your programmed mind received!What is clear is Namboothiris came from India and christians came from outside India.Now You are at par with Nairs!.Poor soul! When will your eyes open and see the immense spiritual path in India. Forget about what is written by this person because you have no regard for a converted foreigner.Because he accepts what you are rejecting blindly.Read some articles written by Joseph Pulikunnel. I am not ridiculing you.You reading the above article is not accidental. This is divine intervention to guide you in to spiritual path

  4. JPSNair Reply

    September 21, 2013 at 3:56 am

    Jesus Christ survived his crucifixion and lived Kashmir
    In fact Christians are slaves of their own mind. They cannot think freely and explore the truth beyond what they have been believing from their childhood. The real fact about Jesus was that he was an ordinary man. He never got resurructed to heaven. He survived cricification and travelled to Kashmir and lived and died there as an ordinary man. Please visit the website on The Tomb of Jesus Christ – The Online Centre for Jesus in India studies.This website presents evidence that Jesus Christ survived his crucifixion and travelled to Kashmir, India.Also read the BBC News – Tourists flock to ‘Jesus’s tomb’ in Kashmir

  5. anonymous Reply

    September 22, 2013 at 6:38 am

    Cherian Lying part III – of course the Syrian christian parrots only those marxist dates that are convenient for himself
    Note also that the late dates given by marxists are undermined by their communism, because India’s communists are as rabid as christians are in writing out Hindus and Hinduism from southern Indian history. Further, it is significantly “christians” propagating the later dates for Namboodiris in Kerala (colluding with or hiding under communist labels). No wonder Syrian christian Cherian is eager to latch on to the marxist dates (despite the Namboodiri Mezhathol Agnihothri existing before mid 4th century in Kerala in an even-then already established Namboodiri community in the region)! There’s no Namboodiri record of christians in Kerala though at that century: Mezhathol Agnihothri doesn’t know of them either.
    But both the 6th and 8th centuries for Namboodiris is actually impossible due to several logic errors. For instance, Namboodiries still practice a Vedic ritual that–although already documented in 1100 BCE (but that’s just when it was first documented in the country, it says nothing about the ancientry of the ritual)–fell into disuse by 600 BCE in the north of India:
    “Athirathram is the most complex of the Vedic fire ‘yagnas’, first documented in 1100 BC and continued till 600 BC across the northern Indian river plains after which it disappeared from the northern part of the country. A Vedic community of Namboodiris Brahmins in south India, however, clung to it.” (A common statement about the yagnya that is aslo repeated in the news at mangalorean.com/news.php?newstype=local&newsid=232755)
    So the *latest* Namboodiris could have left the northern parts of Bharatam to travel towards Kerala was 600 BCE. And if they weren’t in the north in 600 BCE, then they were in the south, since they still knew to practice the ritual while “it had disappeared in the north” by then. (Although they could still have left much earlier, leaving behind other Brahmana groups to still practice the rite until these stopped doing so in 600 BCE, which also matches the facts.)

  6. anonymous Reply

    September 22, 2013 at 7:07 am

    Cherian Lying part II – What Ishwar Sharan has written about the Kerala Hindu Adi Shankara (who was a Namboodiri Brahmana)
    Adi Shankara, one of the more famous Namboodiri Brahmanas, appeared late in Kerala’s Namboodiri community. His line of Namboodiri ancestors were of Kerala as far as is documented. Further, Shankara is famous for having altered the *long-established* funeral rituals of Namboodiris, which implies that they did not arrive in Kerala when Shankara was born or just a generation or a few before his birth. Elsewhere in Ishwar Sharan’s blog, Sharan logically argued that Adi Shankara did not know of christianism: despite knowing Kerala well and having travelled the length and breadth of India, Shankara had never heard of christianism and so never spoke of it (because it did not exist in his time. (I herewith pre-empte typically lame christian excuses like how “christianity must have been unpopular until after Shankara”, especially since christians claim their religion was popular in Kerala and especially among Namboodiris since a much earlier time even). Adi Shankara debated and defeated only the known difficulties Hindu society and religion faced, not the ones that didn’t yet exist in India. From memory, Sharan observed that if christianism had existed at Shankara’s time, he’d certainly have blasted it and its absurdities more than anything else. But he didn’t, because he predated christianity in India, if not in entirety.

    Finally, Ishwar Sharan even echoes the Kanchi Matham’s timeline for Adi Shankara on his blog, as is visible by hovering over the Adi Shankara picture on the right of bharatabharati.wordpress.com:
    “Sri Adi Sankara was born at Kaladi on the fifth day of the bright fortnight of the Vaisaka month of the cyclic year Nandana – Kali 2593 corresponding to 509 BCE.”

    All of this merely underlines that Ishwar Sharan does not share the opinions of the marxist’ “scholars”.

  7. anonymous Reply

    September 22, 2013 at 7:10 am

    Cherian lying part I – The article only said that the earliest *record* of Namboodiri Brahmins in Kerala is 4th century: not when Namboodiris first arrived in Kerala
    Christian Cherian twisting words in christian fashion: “Christians in Kerala has the tradition from 4th Century where as Nambudhiri’s have history even later to that.”
    But here’s What The Article Said: “There is no historical record of Christians in India prior to the 4th century, neither is there any record of Namboodiri Brahmins resident in Kerala prior to the 4th century (some scholars say 6th and even 8th century). Namboodiris appear to have migrated to Kerala from the Himalayan foothills sometime after the 3rd century CE.”
    Note the article says 4th century and says it’s only other so-called scholars who have offered later and later dates. Ishwar Sharan already made it clear in his blog which “scholars” put this as late as 6th or 8th century:
    bharatabharati.wordpress.com/2012/09/25/st-thomas-in-india-true-or-false-n-s-rajaram/
    “Editor’s Note: Historians do not agree about the date for the coming of Namboothiri Brahmins to Kerala. Marxist historians make their arrival as late as the sixth century AD. However with the identification of the Namboothiri priest Mezhathol Agnihothri (b. 342 AD), the date can be moved back to the fourth century. Namboothiri historians themselves do not give a date for the arrival of their community in Kerala from North India.”
    In a comment Ishwar Sharan further explains: “When we say [Namboodiris] were [in Kerala] in the 4th century, that is because there is a document to support the claim.”
    In other words, he says there’s documentation to attest to Namboodiri Hindus’ *established* presence in Kerala from around the 4th century CE (but since the documentation does not claim Mezhathol Agnihothri arrived in Kerala with other Namboodiri brahmins, just that he and his kind existed there then, it does not tell us when Namboodiris were *first* heard of in Kerala, which is earlier still. And hence possibly ‘much’ earlier still conceivably).

  8. anonymous Reply

    September 22, 2013 at 7:21 am

    JPSNair misled by christian fictions I: Jesus was NEVER In Kashmir or any part of India. Fact: Jesus NEVER Existed (as ancient Graeco-Romans also stated)
    Ishwar Sharan, the interviewee of this article, had already exposed the jesus-in-Kashmir story as another fraud:

    1.ishwarsharan.wordpress.com/about-us/the-ishwar-sharan-interview-with-rajeev-srinivasan/
    “RS: There is a certain school of thought that says Jesus Christ came to India and that a lot of what he taught is based on Hindu and Buddhist ideas. Comments?
    IS: The idea that Jesus came to India as a boy and studied in a Buddhist monastery or, alternatively, came to India after the crucifixion and married a princess of Kashmir, tickles the romantic imagination of Western travellers and quite a few Indians too. The story originates in a clever piece of fiction by the Russian forger Nicholas Notovich that was published in Paris in 1894.”

    2. The following quotes Sharan explaining the kind of Indians who fall for Jesus-in-India fictions (don’t be one of them JPSNair):
    bharatabharati.wordpress.com/2009/12/12/st-thomas-in-india-an-ias-officer-revisits-a-400-year-old-history-hoax-v-sundaram/

    ‘Ishwar Sharan in his pioneering work of research, has clearly brought out the fact that the myth of St. Thomas is a prototype of today’s popular Jesus-in-India story. The first story of St. Thomas in India was invented by the Syrian Christians of Malabar and later taken over by the Portuguese. The second story of Jesus in Kashmir was promoted around the beginning of the 20th century by Western spiritualists who also paraded as historians of the arcane. To quote the words of Ishwar Sharan: ”Both fictions are attractive to foreign spiritual seekers and to convent-educated Hindus who fancy the idea that an apostle of Jesus, or Jesus himself may have visited India. The Hindus do not notice that in these legends neither St. Thomas nor Jesus are presented as seekers of Truth or admirers of Hindu religion and culture. They are presented as teachers of a superior faith or as enlightened social reformers who are persecuted by avaricious and degenerate Pagan Brahmin priests.”’

  9. anonymous Reply

    September 22, 2013 at 7:23 am

    JPSNair misled by christian fictions II: Jesus was NEVER In Kashmir or any part of India. Fact: Jesus NEVER Existed (as ancient Graeco-Romans also stated)
    Don’t link to jesus-in-India propaganda sites, unless you also want to link to the “Therefore jesus is the goal of the vedas” sites, which are *equally* untrue.

    Although the church in India & overseas never before propagated the fiction that jesus ever came to India (and medieval Pope Leo X moreover famously admitted that jesus himself was no more than a profitable FICTION), the fact is that today the church in India hopes to peddle the “Jesus in India” fiction to project christianity as native and having ancient/1st cent origins in India. It’s a tactic to make christianity seem native to *all* India, not just the south anymore (where the Thomas fiction was planted). By repetition, the church gets gullible Hindus to “accept”– without proof, of course–that jesus was ever in India. They hope to create “jesus was here” pilgrimage sites in Kashmir/all India like Constantine’s mother did in Rome, and thereby convert naive Indians to christianism with the fanciful notion that jesus came to India to be “one of them”.

    Why do so-called “Hindus” always shoot the truth (& Hindus along with it) in the foot by denouncing one lie–such as “thomas in India” or “jesus’ resurrection”–only to prop up even worse or more recent falsehoods (such as jesus’ historicity or jesus-in-kashmir). GET THIS: There was NEVER a jesus of the gospels. None of his alleged disciples existed either. ALL OF THEM ARE UNHISTORICAL. It’s why the earliest christians never believed in a historical jesus, only a non-corporeal one. See The Jesus Puzzle by Doherty who quotes other biblical scholars and freetruth.50webs.org/B2a.htm

    The jesus-in-India stories are just the latest jesus fiction. Jesus himself being the first.
    THE FACT IS: http://www.jesusneverexisted.com

    As was already stated repeatedly by ancient Greco-Romans, eg 4th cent Roman Emperor Julian. See:
    +atheistfoundation.org.au/article/on-the-historicity-of-jesus-christ/
    +mountainman.com.au/essenes/Julian_Against_the_Galilaeans.htm

  10. Ashok Joshi Reply

    September 23, 2013 at 2:43 am

    Historic Christ
    Birth of Christianity including various theories regarding the existence of Jesus have been extensively investigated by modern Western scholars. Their views are summarized in my book “Birth of Christianity- Facts and Fiction” which can be viewed/downloaded from

    http://bharatabharati.wordpress.com/2012/06/24/birth-of-christianity-facts-fiction-a-p-joshi/

    Ashok Joshi

  11. anonymous Reply

    September 23, 2013 at 8:59 pm

    NO historic christ. And: Why everyone who claims otherwise is selling something – II
    6. Instead of reading books that advocate *any* re-defined form of a historical “jesus/christ”, Hindus should read:
    – jesusneverexisted.com, by Kenneth Humphreys. Also in book form.
    – A Short History of the Bible, by Bronson C. Keeler. See summary at freetruth.50webs.org/B2d.htm
    – the NT scholarship of the Dutch Radikal Kritik school which denies historicity of Peter, Paul down to Jesus. Note this is exactly what the ancient Romans had already revealed.
    – The 2nd column at freetruth.50webs.org/Overview2.htm & bottom of the 1st column (starting with “Myth”)

    There is No documented evidence for *any* jesus of the various early christianisms, so the question is: Why are people today peddling a “historical jesus christ”?

  12. anonymous Reply

    September 23, 2013 at 9:21 pm

    NO historic christ. And: Why everyone who claims otherwise is selling something – I
    1. The jesus of the canonical gospels Never Existed. The gospels were not eye-witness accounts, they were first composed at least 150 years after the alleged “jesus”. Paul admits he never met jesus in the flesh, so not an eye-witness either. Radikal Kritik’s exposed how Paul’s a fiction too, just as the ancient GrecoRomans had stated.

    2. There’s further No Evidence for ANY of the wildly varying “jesus christ” characters that the early, mutually exclusive christianisms believed in. Eg Ebionites didn’t (& still don’t) believe in a divine christ let alone a resurrected one. Gnostic christians never believed in a corporeal (ie. historical) christ.

    3. Romans thoroughly investigated christian claims. In works critiquing christianity they repeatedly demanded christians produce historical evidence for the jesus character, knowing christians had none. Eg see atheistfoundation.org.au/article/on-the-historicity-of-jesus-christ/ Christians’ only response was to burn these books that exposed christianism. It’s thereafter that christianism started inventing the many forgeries & falsified testimonies that are passed off as “evidence for jesus” today.

    So anyone writing about a “historical jesus christ” is SELLING SOMETHING. Ancient well-read Romans had more untampered historical data at hand, yet could find NO historical evidence for christ. Any modern western scholars pretending there was any historical jesus behind christianism are merely SPECULATING based on a myth that’s grown for under 2000 yrs.

    4. There were many historical Jesus-es among the Jews, but none of them were the jesus known to *any* of the christianisms past or present. See ‘A Surfeit of Jesuses! But No “Jesus of Nazareth”‘ at jesusneverexisted.com/surfeit.htm

    5. There were lots of historical Jewish “Christs”, but the “Jesus Christ” character is not historical. Eg “Dosetheus, the Samaritan-Jewish Christ, Simon, another Samaritan-Jewish Christ”, see pocm.info/triumph_before_Jesus_hellenism.html

  13. PVas Reply

    September 25, 2013 at 2:20 am

    Existence of JC refuted
    In another forum back in 2009, I made the following comments and observations on Swami Devanand’s earlier articles: I am reproducing my comments here:
    —————–
    1) Hindus try to interpret the Bible and Koran solely from a Hindu perspective, without understanding that the two religions and their scriptures were not conceived and written by Hindus. These two religions were conceived and built on exclusivism. One needs to stop analyzing these two religions and their books from the point of view of Hinduism, and instead see them in the light of the socio-political and cultural context underlying the creation of these two institutions (Christianity and Islam) and their purport.

    It is ironic that many Hindus today insist that they have understood or unlocked the ‘wholesome truth’ contained in the Bible (or Koran) when devout Christians (or Muslims),worldwide, including their spiritual leaders, and societies that have been practicing this religion from the time of its inception, have been unable to decipher the bible’s alleged ‘deeper’ meaning.

    2)The new crop of Indian gurus, gallivanting around the world gathering international devotees, particularly celebrities – the Deepak Chopra kind- all seem to be in a hurry to distance themselves from the ‘Hindu’ label once they have peddled the Hindu ‘wares’ to the western and westernized Indian audiences at large. OHMYGOSH! Hinduism!- that forbidden word.

  14. PVas Reply

    September 25, 2013 at 2:46 am

    Existence of JC refuted
    In another forum back in 2009, I made the following comments and observations on Swami Devanand’s earlier articles: I am reproducing my comments here:
    —————–
    3) The sad truth is that many contemporary Indian gurus base their spiritual foundation on the tenets of Upanishads/Vedanta/ and Gita, but once they have acquired a very large international following openly disassociate themselves from Sanatana Dharma (or Hinduism) as if it was a plague.

    About two years ago, I had experience with one upcoming guru and his group. This contemporary ‘spiritual’ guru has his base in Tamil Nadu. His emissaries (disciples who allegedly have been bestowed the spiritual ‘powers’ directly by him to initiate others into his fold) travel around the country canvassing patronage, by conducting some kind of initiation ceremony (kind of induction into his ‘group’) for a fee, while he personally travels abroad to conduct these courses. Ever curious, I attended a course in India after paying the necessary fee. The emissary conducting this particular session, a young lady who sparkled (with enlightenment) like a 5 watts bulb, starts of by dramatically declaring that it is waste of time and unnecessary to go to ‘temples’ or ‘places of worship’ (she, of course, carefully refrains from mentioning ‘’church’’ and ‘’mosque’’).

    Of course, one knows that in Hinduism it is not essential to visit temples to achieve enlightenment, or God’s grace, or to express one’s affiliation with Hinduism, unlike in Christianity and Islam. But one has to also understand that temples are just not for praying casually, fulfilling a vow, or visiting for social reasons, or even to outwardly express one’s Hindu identity; but many of the ancient temples in India are concentrated energy centres. Rituals, prayers, and mantras as per the Agama shastras have been performed continuously for hundreds of years, making these places powerful energy centres.

  15. PVas Reply

    September 25, 2013 at 8:45 am

    Existence of JC refuted
    n another forum back in 2009, I made the following comments and observations on Swami Devanand’s earlier articles: I am reproducing my comments here.
    ———————-
    3) (contd’)In addition, many great Hindu Sages and Acharyas from time immemorial, so to speak, have visited, prayed and performed rituals in these temples, further strengthening the energy concentration in these places. When one prays or meditates in such places, one taps inadvertently to this energy.
    4) Many of the new age gurus not only distance themselves from Hinduism, they go overboard by quoting few phrases here and there from the bible, relate stories about alleged Jesus’s deeds and what jesus is alleged to have said (curiously, these stories are not found in any mainstream Christian denomination in the west or in India). I’m sure none of these gurus have ever read the bible from front to back (or even back to front.). Yet, somehow they are all experts on the bible, and know exacly what Jesus said or didn’t ‘said.’

    These gurus are in such hurry to dissociate themselves from ‘Hinduism,” and the ‘Hindu’ label probably because they don’t want to annoy the christians and muslims among their devotees. Thus, it would seem that for political and economic reasons, after stealing everything from the various Hindu sects and philosophies –yoga, ayurveda, Vedanta, Shaivism, Advaita, and Gita – these gurus sing out that they and their institutions are not in any way associated with Hinduism.

  16. Dr.Miss Samir Krishna Reply

    September 27, 2013 at 3:41 am

    Thank you

    I would like to thank the contributors P Vas, Ashok Joshi, Swaraj and Anonymous who have made such a thorough study and analysis of the myth around the story of jesus christ and the extent of fabrication that made it appear that this fabricated story was that of the son of god, of virgin birth who died on the cross and then ” resurrected” who alone can grant man salvation from the sins of this life.
    IT IS VITALLY IMPORTANT that ALL HINDUS PREACH THIS TRUTH to all Hindus and the mislead Christians ao that Hindusim, the civilisation of the Hindus and the land of thd Hindus that is Bharat is saved from these vultures. IF ALL OF US DONT UNITE and do this IMMEDIATELY! NOW! believe me we will be lost as even our modern gurus will sacrifice our gods and goddesses to win international disciples condoning the falsehood of Christianity. Also our land, that is India would be invaded and fragmented by Western intelligence agencies, arms dealers and Christian mafia in various guises.
    The truths espoused in the letters of the aforementioned contributors must be ptinted and distributed widely and preached from street corners if need be by Hindu Volunteers to win back our eternal faith of Sanatan Dharma.

  17. anonymous Reply

    September 27, 2013 at 8:56 am

    To PVas: Hindu temple sites are not any new age energy centres, they are sites where the *Gods* of the temple reside
    PVas, Hindu temples are for bhaktas of the Hindu Gods at these temples. Hindu temples are specifically Not for new age people who imagine temples are merely “energy centres” and who consequently pretend there are no Hindu Gods (only “energy centres”). The Rishis worshipping at Hindu temples worshipped the Hindu Gods there. Not any new age inventions called mere “energy centres”.

    People who want “energy centres” can construct their own buildings and call them Centres of Energy (not to be confused with a Hindu Temple).

    Also the following statement is badly phrased:
    “Hindu sects and philosophies –yoga, ayurveda, Vedanta, Shaivism, Advaita, and Gita”

    Gita is Vedanta. Advaitam is a form of Vedanta. Vedanta is Vedic. Shaivam is entirely Vedic too (and consists of vedanta incl advaitam and yoga). Ayurveda is the Upaveda belonging to the Rig Vedam. Yoga is Vedic (e.g. Upanishads).
    In short, these aren’t sects and philosophies, they are practices and texts from the same Vedic religion.

  18. PVas Reply

    September 29, 2013 at 9:39 am

    To @Anonymous: Hindu temples and energy center -1
    @Anonymous:I have nowhere defined ‘energy centers’ according to what’New Agers,’ and ‘Stone Agers’ believe or understand. I have no idea what and how these Agers believe or perceive, nor do I care. You go ahead and focus on it, if it is important to you.

    My point on the other hand is, irrespective of how and why the temples are and become powerful energy centers, they are! and whether people go there to worship and do Puja to the Murti and/or recite Japam and/or meditate there, they also benefit from the all pervading energy. It is therefore ludicrous and dangerous on the part of new age gurus to dismiss the value of temples, and invariably reduce them to mere concrete ‘prayer houses,’ to the level of churches and masjids. It is irresponsible for anyone to suggest that worshiping at a temple has no more benefit then worshiping in a park or at the football stadium or inside any concrete structure, because the benefits, if any, in all three ‘would amount to the same,’ and thus temple visit is irrelevant to anyone but the religiously ‘orthodox’ or the ‘superstitious,’ or those in need of mere ‘psychological comfort.’

  19. PVas Reply

    September 29, 2013 at 1:01 pm

    To @Anonymous: Gurus and Hindu Identity
    @Anonymous: In your emphasis on the “correct” or “precise” classification of Shaivism, Vedanta, Advaita, Yoga, etc., you seemed to have missed the point. Whether or not ‘Shavism” and “Vaishnavism” should be referred to at all as a sects in Hinduism, and whether or not Advaita or Dvaita should be referred to as ‘philosophical schools,’ my point is whatever may be the path or orientation a particular guru and his organization subscribe to, endorse, or emphasize, or lean towards, this path invariably ends up with a “Not Hinduism” tag. Many ashrams in the west set up by an Indian guru have over time dissociated themselves from the Hindu label, especially after the guru has left the mortal body. There is the rare exception, no doubt. For example, Satguru Sivaya Subramuniyaswami, who despite setting up his ashram exclusively in the west (Hawaii), openly and proudly wore his ‘Hindu’ tag till his very last days on the physical plane – never afraid to talk proudly about Hinduism and never shirking from educating others on Hinduism. His successor, monks, and devotees around the world also wear their hindu-shaivite tag proudly. The Satguru and his monks have numerous accomplishments to their credit, that have benefited not only Hinduism and Hindu society worldwide but also spiritually impacted non-hindus. They have also won numerous international awards and recognition for their social and religious contributions. Yet, they did all this as “Hindus.”

    Kanci Paramaacharya (Mahaa Periyavaa), despite being an enlightened soul, never felt the need to shun his Hindu identity till the very end. So too Swami Vivekananda, Swami Sivananda, Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa…and many older Masters who served the people and the world as ‘Hindus.’

  20. Manu John Reply

    October 5, 2013 at 6:40 pm

    Existence of a Religion
    A brilliant essay on what religion should be by Ishwar Sharan!!!!

    I have read his book, “The Myth of St. Thomas”

    I think whether there existed a real Jesus Christ or whether he did or didn’t have a normal death, or whether Thomas came to Kerala is immaterial in this millennium……I am truly sympathetic to the early Hindus who might have suffered under the Portuguese/Catholic invasions as mentioned by Ishwar……

    But on the other hand, what all religions preach are the same ” Be Happy, try to make others happy by indulging oneself in humanitarian activities (of course without making it a big news:-)), respect your parents, elders and also be humble to your fellow beings…….

    So, as long as you are doing all these things, it doesn’t matter whether you are a Hindu, Christian, Muslim, Jew, Buddhist, Jain, Pagan, Atheist…..

    We all have to be just humans loving and caring for each other!!!!

    Thanks again, Sorry if anybody gets offended by these comments….

    Good Day!!!

  21. Archpagan Reply

    October 8, 2013 at 2:06 am

    All Religions are same?
    All religions are not the same. It is the biggest lie in circulation in the today’world. This is amply illustrated by the fact a devout Muslims is a blood-thirsty jehadi, a devout Christian is a soul-shopper armed with money and rice bag; while a devout Hindu renounces the world and becomes a mendicant.

  22. Dr.MIss Samir Krishna Reply

    October 15, 2013 at 12:16 am

    ARCH PAGAN IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!!!
    I am always amazed at the wisdom shown by Haindavakeralam readers! Archpagan has summarised SO BEAUTIFULLY IN JUST ONE SENTENCE the difference between Christianity, Islam and Hinduism.
    Christians like Manu John mjst understand that noone is now bothered any more about the historical evil of Christianity but it’s current activities of conversion based on an utter lie particularly in the sacred land of the Hindus and thereby contaminating the core of the ONLY true philosophy that is infact modern Astrophysics- VEDANTA- the knowledge and attainment of non- duality.

    But ir was the last phrase of Archpagan’s letter that was wonderful! That the true aim of a real Hindu is to understand the meaninglessness and illusion of this world filled with ego and thereby reject it and become a mendicant.

  23. Kailasam PrasadS Reply

    October 17, 2013 at 4:22 am

    Myth of St. Thomas
    If St. Thomas never visited Kerala and the existence of Christianity started well before that of Nairs, they can you track the history of Christians in Kerala. I t was the Portuguese businessmen or someone else who spread Christianity in Kerala

  24. anonymous Reply

    October 21, 2013 at 4:29 am

    On Hindu temples again: Hindu temples are *exclusively* for bhaktas coming to see the presiding Hindu Gods
    > “Kanci Paramaacharya (Mahaa Periyavaa), despite being an enlightened soul, never felt the need to shun his Hindu identity till the very end.”

    Yes and don’t forget to mention that the Kanchi Paramacharya never felt the need to avoid mentioning the Hindu Gods or to replace their mention with anonymous “energy centres”, let alone to invite anyone and everyone (including those who don’t care about the Gods) to come invade Hindu temples, which are the residence and embodiments of the presiding Gods and *exclusively* meant for bhaktas of the Gods (not for people randomly meditating such as on, say, Shunya).

    Hindu temples are not new age centres. Agamas prescribe what Hindus must do before before visiting their Gods in their temples, and it is known full well that the *sole* goal of a yatra to a Temple is to get darshanam of the Gods. Not to find a place to “meditate” more comfortably/more efficiently by means of better background energy.

    Those not worshipping the Gods at the temple can always (and do) meditate at home or at some centre. Hindu temples are *exclusively* for the bhaktas of the presiding Hindu Gods. There is no budging from that point.

  25. praveen baby m Reply

    October 26, 2013 at 1:20 am

    facts
    If some crack fellow says something it wont change. JESUS is a TRUTH and
    he has came to the world to heal the
    world and he did. St THOMAS also came here and preached principles which was accepted by board minded hindus.THERE was no forceful conversion.

  26. Shoba Menon Reply

    October 30, 2013 at 12:39 am

    Praveen Baby or Praveen Adult!!!!

    Dear Little Praveen Baby, Are you man or a ridiculous little baby with little education, writing the way you do replete with mistakes in your language and your silly beliefs? It is your mind that is ” boarded” up with blind,primitive faith in a foolish, fake religion. All christians in Kerala and India are converted from the poorer,tribal sections of society as clearly enunciated in the Portugese text of Lorca Hidalgo. Syrian Christians were converts who were the keeps and concubines of the lower class Portugese soldiers.If they had remained tribal they would now have been part of the fortunate Hindu fold without having to believe in the silly nonsense, you, little Praveen Baby do.

  27. Manoj Reply

    November 18, 2013 at 12:48 pm

    False Propagations
    Kerala Christians are even now a days called Nazrani , means that they are from Nazareth Israel. It means that Saint Thomas came with group of people including ladies and they have to breed so many to form the group of today’s Nazranis. If Saint Thomas was alone in his mission of spreading gospel, normal logic they are Kerala converted Christians. This argument is not applicable to Muslims because they came 12 people under the head ship of Malik ibin Dinar and according to them women could be taken for marriage from anywhere they found, they are also Muslims. But they are instructed to study, study & study… after well study the genetic code of the people of mother land and father land etc will not match, mercy full god is clever that not only DNA Genome code but small thump print altered in each person in order to prevent them from duplicating passport.

  28. Params Reply

    December 27, 2013 at 7:22 am

    Bible .. Wat the heck !
    Bullshit Manu John and Bull shit Praveen Baby.

    Go read your Bible to find out what is mentioned in it.. Even after that you feel that Christianity is a religion of Peace.. then you are not fit to be called a human.
    The Bible is full of flaws and foolishness. Absolute unnecessary and illogical things.

    Wake up Children.. You are not living in 300 B.C..

  29. Varghese Thomas Reply

    June 27, 2014 at 10:33 am

    Malayalam Calender
    This is the article on Wikipedia. It is believed that his Malayalam calendar commenced during the time of King Kulashekhara. First day of year (Chingam 1) in AD 825 . The Nestorian’s fled from the Islamic conquests and chose korukeNikollam( a Famous trade centre as a refuge. They established a church,colony and invited a bishop/matron from persia. This was during 824-825 and they stated a new era. They called year kollam thondriya aanT(beginning of the year) . Since they were aginst the roman church they were against Anno Domina or the Islamic era they had go for calender of their own. Nestorians were merchants when trade flourished their dates started to be used widely. The problem was the difficulty in accepting that christians started the era. What HK has to say on this subject. Even the entire Kerala customs and traditions including Sabarimala Makaravilakku is depending on Calender started by Syrian Chritians in AD 825

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