A Muslim - Hindu Dialogue
31/05/2009 09:24:11 Krishnadaya
Following is an interesting discussion between Ms.Farhan Bukhari and Krishna :
Farhan : I have studied many books about Hindu religion . I could find many contradictions in them . I think these books are made by vested interests to exploit ignorant people .
Krishna : The Vedas are divine . It's logic is beyond ordinary human logic . Only a qualified Vedic Scholar could interpret the Vedic scriptures correctly . Mere bookish knowledge will confuse the reader , especially if he is a "Mlecha" ( Impure person unfit to receive Vedic knowledge ) .
Farhan : There is only one God ( Allah) . But, Hindus are worshipping numerous people as "Human Gods" . This is totally incorrect .
Krishna : God is infinite . Bhagavad Gita ( essence of the Vedas) states that God is both Formless and with Form . Both types of worship is correct provided there is faith and devotion . Islam calls the formless God as *Allah* . Christians calls it *Father* . Impersonalist Hindus (Advaitis ) ,callis it *Brahman* . It is extremely difficult and troublesome for an embodied Man to meditate a "Formless" entity. Devatas are manifestations of God and they are not human . Since God is Omnipotent, Omniscient and Omnipresent , He can easily appear in human like Forms to enable, easy and focused meditation. Who are we humans to impose restrictions on God ?.
Farhan : Hindu books are creations of selfish Brahmins . They have written those books to exploit non-Brahmin low caste Hindus . They are treating other Hindus as slaves .
Krishna : Learning the Vedas , teaching it and practicing it's complex rituals need total commitment , discipline , sacrifice , purity and skills from a Priest's birth to death . A dedicated class of Hindus is required to fulfill this tough requirement . Traditionally , Brahmins are entrusted with this duty. They are ordered to eat very lean food merely for survival , undertake regular fasting for self-purification , perform long hours of rituals and survive entirely on the alms given by the Devotees . It is extremely tough life . In certain temples , the Brahmin priest is on daily ritualistic duty in the heat of oil lamps 3AM-12PM during which he is not permitted to drink a glass of water. Mixing with the pleasurable life-styles of others could corrupt them . That is why the Brahmins lead an isolated life.
However, that does mean that the Brahmins are superior to others or they have any right to exploit . All the four categories namely *Brahmins* ( priests) , *Ksatriyas* ( Administrators/Warriors) , *Vysyas* ( Businessmen) and *Sudras* ( Servants) do specific duties in the society as a service to God. A devout Hindu beholds God in every living being and he never exploits another person for his / her selfish gains.
Farhan : Hindus are worshipping so many lifeless statues ( Idols) in their temples. It is funny that they don't allow Non-Hindus to enter the temples . Isn't it ridiculous ? .
Krishna : In the Temples , God is worshipped in a particular image-form as specified by the concerned Sage ( Rishi) . Unique Vedic rules exist for each Temple . It requires the highest Spiritual Power , discipline and purity to maintain the divinity of the Deity . Any violation of the Vedic rules , is dangerous. In majority of the Temples, only Hindus having complete faith in Deity-worship and associated Vedic-vows are allowed to enter . Non-Hindus are denied entry only because they have not adhered to the related vows about which they are ignorant. There is no point in forcing these vows on them since it might be contradictory to their own religious dogmas .
However, there are certain Temples , where non-Hindus are allowed entry . This is due to that Deity's personal will .
A consecrate Deity is not a mere "Idol" . The Deity is the replica of God that breaths life . Muslims and Christian too worship their own brand of consecrated symbols like Kabba stone , Holy cross, Jesus, Mother Mary , etc .
Farhan : Hindus are using items like Cow-dung and Cow's urine to purify their temples ?. Isn't it really funny ? .
Krishna : There are specific purification rituals in Hinduism . Cow is a sacred animal and it's products like milk, ghee, yoghurt, cow-dung ,urine etc are used in vedic rituals . Even Medical science recognize its medicinal value and use extensively . A temple is not washed with cow's urine alone . In reality, first the place is washed with water and then only a few drops of cows' urine is mixed with other chosen items to get the required combination to be used.
Farhan : Why upper caste Hindus are ill-treating Lower caste Hindus ? What is the difference between an upper caste Hindu and a lower caste Hindu ? .
Krishna : There is no discrimination in true Hinduism . Bhagavad-Gita says that God dwells in every living being . If a Hindu exploits another Hindu in the name of religion or any other cause, he will have to pay for its *Karmic-reactions* in many births.
An individual's qualities are dependent upon his *past-karma* . I was born as a low-caste Hindu . Meat eating and Alcoholism was part of our daily life . In my younger days, I too followed suit . And my character contained , Egoism, Jealousy , Aggressiveness , Lust and Greed . After beginning to follow the Vedic scriptures religiously (Surrender to Ishta-deva Krishna , His daily worship by *Nama-Japam* , learning Bhagavad-Gita and performing *Nishkama-karma* ) , I have gradually become an egoless and peace loving Vegetarian-Hindu . A low caste Hindu has such an opportunity to identify own weaknesses, rectify it all and elevate self to God-realization .
Farhan : OK, if You Hindus are so confident about your religion, why are You so much worried about Religious conversions ? .
Krishna : Vedic scriptures do not ask Hindus to convert non-Hindus to Hindu religion . According to it , a person is born as Non-Hindu due to his *Prarabda-karma* ( negative deeds in his previous births) . If he/she is interested in self-purification and subsequent God-realization, he is free to practise Bhagavad-Gita in his day-to-day life . Any Hind-missionary work for it is absolutely, unnecessary.
However, Hindus are concerned about the abusive tirade against the Vedas and Hindu Gods . Fanatics and Missionaries are spreading all sorts of lies against Hinduism besides using bribery to brainwash innocent Hindus . Wherever such mass conversions have occurred, India has lost control over that terrain. It was due to this reason that even Gandhiji has vehemently opposed religious conversions.
Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya !!!!
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Can u answer a question of mine?
Can a Kshathria become a brahmin thru his deeds?
Karmic reactions not only applicable to hindus, but also for every human being. Any realized ISKCON devotee converted from Christianity can tell you. Christians are thinking that throughout their lives they can kill cows and jesus will suffer for their sins. Horrible logic. For Muslims anyway their so called saints are misguiding and leading them towards hell. 5
|Hindus do not convert , but many cme on their own
These following have come on their own. Nodody did forceful conversions by lure of money or material wealth. The intention was not to colonize and conquer.
Hare Krishna is having the biggest growth in Russia. In fact after India , the maximum number of devotees are from Russia.
Even though there is resistance, there from govt, there is phenomenol growth of Hare Krishna there.
and many more. The process is slow, but surely the rate is slowly increasing.
This went from India as faith and not with intention to conquer.
|Quite a beautiful reply!
It is modest and non confrontational, yet firm. 5
"Farhan : OK, if You Hindus are so confident about your religion, why are You so much worried about Religious conversions ? ".
The answer is: fellow feeling, pure and simple..
Both in Islam and Christianity by being good or virtuous does not make one entitled for a ringside seat in heaven because the fate of a Muslim or Christian as to whether he will be saved or damned has been decided in advance even before he is born. They can sin throughout their life on this earth and yet attain paradise but if a virtuous one is not originally in the saved list he will be wasting his time by doing his good deeds with the intention of entering heaven. Further even if one is included originally in the saved list by some flap on the part of the almighty he can subsequently correct it by sending his angels to lead him astray and later send him for burning eternally.
On the contrary, one who is born neither as Christian nor Muslim gets his due deserts depending up on his actions. Yet there is some certainty that in the end a Hindu can rest in paradise though his route may be a bit long. In other words one born as a Hindu is unnecessarily extending his neck to the butcher’s knife by his foolish attempt to get converted into other religion as obviously his name will not be in god’s or allah,s original saved list maintained for Christians and Muslims.(for that matter in the unsaved list too )
What the Hindus are doing by protesting against conversion is an attempt to keep one of their fellows off the fire in hell.