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04/01/2012 12:17:58
The inevitable quarrel.
22/12/2011 20:48:01
A good article...
I liked this essay by Dr. Vijaya Rajiva. The author was able to put her mind to the subtleties of the issue at hand and was able to articulate well. Without denying the subject person's (Dr. Clooney) scholarship, the author was able to bring up the apprehensions of many into focus. It is a welcome departure from the usually seen tactics of running down the opponent to advance one's side of the argument. Kudos to the author. I will add that this is the type of writing someone like me would like to see from someone of the author's caliber.
22/12/2011 12:26:23
Francis Clooney
Dr.Vijaya Rajiva is very dignified in her analysis. Her warning about Clooney is timely and from her essay it is very clear that Rajiv has certainly made a u-turn.

And his self-aggrandisement and his flirting with the likes of Clooney is a giveaway that he wants to promote himself and his book.

Hindu Activists like me in Chennai knew very well about the evil designs of Clooney and the likes, and if Rajiv thinks that he can stop the Church from acquiring properties, establishing Prayer Houses, etc., through his so-called Interfaith Dialogues, he must be fooling himself.

But, I don't think he will ever fool himself. All his efforts are only to promote himself and his book and certainly not to serve the nation.

Let Rajiv and his cronies understand that we native Hindus in India are not idiots to believe his theories.
Venugopal Kaikulath
21/12/2011 21:30:23
Hinduism's broad-minded vision shall save the world.
Dear Shri M.C.Baruah,

In saying all religions are the same Hinduism is only stating that paths or approaches to God are unlimited. That is, living cannot be straitjacketed. It is not tantamount to giving “character certificates” to each and every religion. That is not the job of Hinduism. It is for the practitioners to decide whatever they want about their preferred religion. However, with the rise of Christianity and Islam and their fight onto death to prove that each alone is the true religion, it is the duty of Hindu gurus to warn the world that such narrow minded approach has spelt disaster in world history. Hindu gurus have by and large been successful in spreading the broad-minded vision of Hinduism in the West and inculturation efforts by Christians is proof of their last-ditch efforts save their narrow-minded creed with pretence to Hinduism’s broad-mindedness. Since Hindu gurus are not allowed to preach freely in Muslim countries, Islam remains the last citadel of narrow-mindedness.
Ananda Ganesh V
21/12/2011 22:22:14
An Unfortunate Article

I understand and accept Rajiv Malhotra's position and openness to reach out to people who are either not-Hindus or even anti-Hindus.

It is too early to predict what would be the outcome of such interactions, and saying that Rajiv Malhotra is growing a Trojan Horse is atrocious.

If Rajiv Malhotra has not questioned about Clooney's other comments about Swami Vivekananda and others, it might be because it is not the focus of the meeting or discussion.

And, interpreting Clooney's appreciation of Rajiv Malhotra that says Rajiv Malhotra has improved upon Swami Vivekananda, then it does not actually mean an insult to Swami Vivekananda.

What Swami Vivekananda preached is not Quran, that should not be used to add our own intelligence.

It is very very unfortunate that Haindava Keralam is giving space to such articles whose only ultimate result is washing the linen in public.

I request respected Haindava Keralam editorial board to decide who is our enemy.

If the board decides to not to give space to sibling quarrels, it would be a great service in the long run.
Radha Rajan
21/12/2011 18:45:32
Malhotra's dubious intent
A book must be judged by several indices if it has to withstand critical scrutiny - consistency in core positions which the author maintains, sound and convincing explanation when positions change, simple honesty and integrity to the responsibility the author has taken upon him/herself to inform and influence opinion and above all the end objective for which a book is written. If there are serious concerns about even one of these indices, then both the book and author must be called to account. First, in the context of what we now know about how the Generic Church - all churches of all denominations, western white Christian governments and all the pan-national and international organizations like the UN and IMF which they have created - function to serve their geopolitical objectives, we have to question Malhotra's statement that the book is not political. Considering that the core content of all Abrahamic cults is their political objective to conquer the world, how can Malhotra claim that he can write a book about the Christian world apolitically or non-politically? He makes this claim for a second time when he says he is a non-Hindutva Hindu; this is in fact an intellectual jizya he is paying to be accepted in white western christian academic and intelelctual circles. Malhotra sought and received Clooney's endorsement for his book as calling card or entry pass. Hindus are not obliged to be mute witnesses to Malhotra's business compulsions. When Hindus who claim leadership role for themselves the onus to pass the test of scrutiny is on them alone. When such persons are seen to be legitimising our enemies then harsh criticism is warranted. The Church spells death of Hindus, Hindu temples and Hindu way of life. Clooney represents this death even if death is wearing a deceptive smiling mask. By legitimising Clooney Malhotra has signalled to us that he treats India as one vast market for his books and Hindu intellectual space as one vast market for his dubious ideas.
Dr.Vijaya Rajiva
21/12/2011 16:27:59
A general note to HK Readers
Since I started writing for Haindava Keralam I have been impressed by the moderation and good sense of many of the comments to my articles. However, this article 'Francis Xavier Clooney: Building a Trojan Horse' has one person called A.Bhargava who has departed from that. His post below is titled 'The Story Behind the Story'.

I can state categorically that I have never written angry emails to anyone, either to an e group or to people on my list.

This gentleman is too angry with my article to pay attention to its arguments. Intead he has gone off topic.

It seems unusual to bring in personal stories about someone you do not know.I do not know him and have never corresponded with him. He may have read my emails to the egroup of Breaking India but these were never angry.

I do wish he would have taken hold of himself and stayed on topic.
M.C. Baruah
21/12/2011 12:59:43
Being Different
I am great admirer of Rajiv Malhotra. Most of the Hindu gurus are not qualified to discuss the differences between the Yogic spirituality and prophetic religions. That is why most of the stupid Hindus pour their heart and soul when they sing Ishwara allah. Hats off Rajiv Malhotra. Almost all the Hindu gurus teach that all religions are same. Gandhi tried that and failed miserably. Every Hindu guru should read Being Different. Rajiv Malhotra is very articulate and learn a lot by reading this monumental book.
Dr.Vijaya Rajiva
21/12/2011 10:15:37
To Sujiv
Since you seem to be impartial I will respond to your question and comment. I did praise Rajiv's book Breaking India, coauthored with Aravindan Neelakandan. In fact I was one of the first to review it.HK published the review. It seemed well researched and was timely.

My criticism of his courtship of Clooney still stands. It seems very much of a u turn for someone who had been warning Hindus of such crafty moves of inculturation.

My article is not intended as a personal attack. It highlights a problem when someone gets confused by what seems to be a turn in the bend.RM has worked hard and has been out in the cold for long. He has come in from the cold. Clooney knows that.RM's fair weather friends may not have warned him about it. It suits Clooney to build a Trojan horse. Should Hindus oblige ?

The aam admi and the traditional gurus, maths, acharyas etc. are the mainstay of our civilisation. Any chipping away at that is a mistake and the Catholic Church has changed its methods but not its goals. Should Hindus fall into that trap ?

Please re read my article carefully once again. Had RM merely written the book and arranged for events both in India and abroad that is perfectly legitimate. Any author/writer wants to maximise the exposure of his book.

But why get involved with Clooney ? This is the million dollar question whose answer only RM can provide.

Time will tell.
21/12/2011 06:36:20
Rajiv or Dr. Rajiva?
Those who speak for Hindus should to put their egos aside, and learn to work with other Hindus, despite personal disagreements. I agree with Sandip that Dr. Rajiva was praising Rajiv Malhotra till recently, and now this U-Turn. This is very confusing. Who is at fault here? Rajiv Malhotra or Dr. Vijaya Rajiva?
George Thundiparambil
21/12/2011 05:46:33
Constructive criticism
Dr. Vijaya Rajiva's critical remarks on Malhotra-Clooney debate are right on the spot, which is the Achilles' heel for Rajiv Malhotra's otherwise potentially monumental work. Adi Sankara posited Purva Paksha to incinerate it in the fire of truth. Truth and falsehood cannot exist side by side. There can never be an agreement between the two and only one of these two can exist at a time. Are we over-rating Malhotra's thesis? This also shows the dangers of using terms of tharka sastra where its rules are not followed. If we think "Being Different" is what we think it is, Clooney would have had to accept defeat and become Malhotra's disciple.
partha desikan
21/12/2011 05:41:39
Building the Trojan Horse
From the general trend in the comments on Dr Rajiva's blog here, I am able to gather that apart from the blogger there are quite a few others who too are worried about the way the Malhotra Clooney dialogue went. Several bloggers also see in RM's disinclination to join forces with the movement known as Hindutva, not just a refusal to be political, but a rejection of a movement that is friendly to Sanatana causes.
My advice to friends would be to read the book for its detailed and well researched treatment of the difference between Abrahamic and Indic thought processes and use its contents just to emphasize that message among their acquaintances.

Anil Bhargava
21/12/2011 05:10:18
Eyewitness account of the story behind the story
About 2 months ago, Rajiv Malhotra removed Rajiva Vijay from his egroup for constantly posting stuff unrelated to the purpose of that forum, which is to discuss his recent book. This angered her a lot and she broke another netiquette by sending private emails to members off line which irritated many of us. Next she picked up another irrelevant and silly campaign against what was to be (but never materialized) a reception by Mr. Malhotra's former St. Stephens college batch mates in the annexe of Rashtrapati Bhavan. The meeting could not be scheduled due to his travels, and as one of his batch mates I can vouch for the fact that the persons who theorized that the meet was anything do with Clooney are misinformed. I never met Clooney in my life, nor was he ever to be on the guest list. What wild speculation! Rajiva has very little research or writing of her to show. She has basically wasted lots of people's time to write against people in the news just to get self importance and visibility for herself. Ironically, she wrote about Mr. Malhotra's work prior to these spats with awe-inspiring admiration - lots of such emails and posts on the record. A disingenuous voice she seems to be. Needs a more legit way to get attention.
Dr.Vijaya Rajiva
21/12/2011 03:00:04
To Critics of my article
The article is not intended as a personal criticism of RM. That interpretation would be unfortunate and misses the point (Sandeep).

To Partha : YOu too have missed the point. RM is both someone interested in the Hindu cause and also at this stage of his career, somewhat confused by the direction he is taking. Hinduism's strength is its native tradition : the aam admi and the traditional gurus, maths acharyas etc. RM's purva paksha may seem 'novel' to him, but it is in reality providing an opening for Clooney style inculturation. As I say : his new book may be a fun read, especially to those who like him, have not been exposed to Western thought, but it cannot be taken seriously, in the way one would read Swami Vivekananda and Swami Dayananda Sarasvati. At one level it may even distract from the substantial work that other Hindus, especially in the homeland are doing.

It is a coffee table book.
K P Ganesh
21/12/2011 02:20:10
About Inculturation
For all those wondering what is inculturation & is it allowed, see this link. http://www.catholicnews.sg/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=580&Itemid=79. And Pope approves it as the author says. Also see Francis Clooney's dialogues with Vaishnavites in Chennai - 2011. http://vaticanculturation.wordpress.com/2011/08/12/95-the-christian-vaishnavite-dialogue-continues-clooney%E2%80%99s-2011-visit-to-chennai/
20/12/2011 23:58:20
Francis Xavier Clooney : Building the Trojan Horse
I am currently reading Rajiv's book Being Different. Half way through. This is an interesting perspective. Some very valid points too.

We certainly need constructive criticism about Rajiv's ideas & works. His complete dissociation & rejection of Hindutva is meaningless, I think. Hindutva is a *political* ideology, no doubt. but that is barely a reason to denounce it.

His discourse is also essentially political in nature, in spite of it addressing spiritual, religious & philosophical issues. All it offers is another perspective of 'clash of civilizations' theory.

Personally I think Breaking India is a far more valuable, far more well researched & far more high impact book compared to BD. But it appears that Rajiv is more interested in promoting BD. Maybe he wants to be seen as a grand "philosopher" instead of a political/social commentator and that too an alarmist one at that.
20/12/2011 23:51:22
Francis Clooney
Excellent article by Dr.Vijaya Rajiva. A timely warning. Many thanks to her. For more on thhis subject:

http://www.vijayvaani.com/FrmPublicDisplayArticle.aspx?id=2087 and

C S Sundaresha
20/12/2011 22:16:24
Being Different
Dear Dr. Vijaya Rajiva,

I am following Mr Rajiv Malhotra and his two books. I appreciate you for looking at him from different angle. It is a ritual for Rajive Malhotra to blame Hindu Gurus! Christian missionaries will not successed in Bharath.
partha desikan
20/12/2011 21:55:38
Building the Trojan Horse
It is obvious that the author of this blog has read Rajiv Malhotra's book, 'Breaking India----faultlines' and has liked its message. Strangely she does not seem to approve of the one on one dialogue of RM on his second book with this well known intellectual of the Christian faith. RM's second book 'Being Different' is not aimed at Hindu readership alone. It is meant to inform the Abrahamic reader about the essential and unalterable differences between Abrahamic and Indic thought and to demand that Indic religions be not simply tolerated but accepted as they are with the differences acknowledged. Mutual respect and not mutual tolerance is recommended by the author while maintaining differences.
If her impression is that the dialogue did not go to the advantage of Sanatana Dharma, as much as it did to the Catholic Priest's agenda, it is not shared by several others. Several earlier meetings with non Hindus have contributed to material used very effectively in the book. Rather than getting fixated on her impression of this one dialogue, the blogger is advised to go through the book, 'Being Different' and support its agenda.
It is understandable and agreed that many efforts by a number of Sanatanists in different directions are called for and it is known that the blogger is an able and serious Sanatanist worker in the cause herself. Her apprehensions in regard to RM's efforts, however, are not warranted.
20/12/2011 21:43:44
Ego problems again!!!
Ego problems again!!!

Its strange to see Dr.Rajiva hitting out against Malhotra.
I know personally that dr.rajiva was all praise for Malhotra till a few weeks back. I also know of the episode where Malhotra in his usual 'abrasive' style ticked off Dr.Rajiva for not reading his book 'Being different'.
But this should not be a reason for doing a 'U TURN' on Malhotra's writing as such.
20/12/2011 21:19:10
Being different
I totally agree with you Dr Rajivia.Well said.
I was/am very uncomfortable about this association between Fr Cloney and Mr Malhotra. Radha Rajan ji had written article on this sometime back.
I hope someone brings your points to Mr Malhotra's attention. Agreed, he had done and continue to do tremendous work for the Hindu cause. I have a lot of respect for him and his work. But,sleeping with the enemy is not the best strategy
20/12/2011 19:19:06
Beware the Jesuits !!
Compliments to the writer for an excellent and forthright analysis. I find it 'nonsensical' for someone to differntiate between Hinduism and Hindutva!! Sri Aurobindo in his famous Uttarpara speech of 30 May 1909: "I say it again today, but I put it in another way. I say no longer that nationalism is a creed, a religion, a faith; I say that it is the Sanatan Dharma which for us is nationalism. This Hindu nation was born with the Sanatan Dharma, with it it moves and with it it grows. When the Sanatan Dharma declines, then the nation declines, and if the Sanatan Dharma were capable of perishing, with the Sanatan Dharma it would perish". Regards



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