The perils of Interfaith dialogue
15/12/2011 00:21:39 Dr. Babu Suseelan
Indian history is replete with stories of political betrayal, dangerous appeasement and intriguing “sellout” behavior towards Islamic invaders and Christian Colonialists. Several Kings, political leaders including Gandhi and Nehru and Hindu organizational leaders have made hundreds of fallacious appeasing social contracts and policies with Islamists and Christian lobbyists. It seems that the phony secular leaders forgot our Vedic values, Dharma and the perils of appeasement with fundamentalists and destructive groups bent on destroying our eternal Vedic Dharma. They have made foolish decision to compromise with evil and forgot to make a distinction between Dharma and closed dogmas paraded as religion. They have ignored the distinction between right and wrong, good and bad and ignored the limits of tolerance and benevolence. Hindus are still paying a heavy price for their foolish, unpardonable mistakes.
Now Ramakrishna Mission is actively engaged in interfaith dialogue with the Vatican and Jihadi groups. They are also active in Christmas celebration and Carole singing. Ramakrishna Mission is busy training its followers in Carole singing and organizing Iftar parties with Jihadis and pseudo secular political parties. It amounts to promoting criminal behavior of Jihadi terrorists and conversion mafia gang. Ramakrishna Mission wanted to have dialogue with the Vatican who was responsible for slave trade, colonialism, destruction of native cultures, violence, genocide, sex abuse, child trafficking, and human rights violations. It is strange that Ramakrishna Mission and several fake Swamis wanted to have interfaith dialogue with criminal thinkers who behave without fear, shame, remorse, guilt or empathy for their victims. Ramakrishna Mission wants to enhance Hindu-Christian relations and collaboration of justice, peace and harmony with barbarous persecutors in the world.
Ramakrishna Mission and its leaders made a terrible fallacy of interfaith dialogue and compromising with fundamentalist followers of non compromising dogmas bent on destroying our Vedic dharma and converting gullible Hindus by deception and coercion. Another mistake of Ramakrishna Mission is to assume falsely that Jihadi leaders and the Pope are historically spiritual people. Ramakrishna Mission must do some historical research. They are making invalid comparison between universal Vedic Dharma and parochial, mischievous political dogmas.
Ramakrishna Mission’s initiative for interfaith dialogue and celebrating Iftar Parties and Christmas proves that seemingly highly educated who claim to be spiritual can succumb to dangerous practices. In this world of information and knowledge explosion, we like to think that spiritual organizations like Ramakrishna Mission once led by Swami Vivekananda would practice, promote and defend Hindu Dharma. Instead, Ramakrishna Mission is busy promoting pseudo secularism, meaningless and one sided interfaith dialogue, and dangerous Christmas celebrations and Carole singing to confuse, misguide and misdirect innocent Hindus. It is surprising those followers of Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa and Swami Vivekananda following outlandish and absurd paths to self-destruction.
As closed, rigid, non-compromising Dogmas, Islam and Christianity do not believe in our spiritual, all inclusive Vedic Dharma. No amount of our preaching, interfaith dialogue and Carole Singing is going to change the minds of the Pope or Mullahs. Ramakrishna Mission busy promoting mindless pseudo secularism, interfaith dialogue refuses to admit the fact that closed-rigid-fundamentalist dogmas are unwilling to change their historically determined dogmatic ideology.
Can we change the poison from a snake by unconditional positive regard, non-judgmental attitude or slavish behavior? No amount of interfaith dialogue or discussion will alter preconceived desert dogmas meant for invasion, plunder, coercive religious conversion, oppression and political domination.
For thousands of years Mullahs and Catholic priests have been indoctrinating followers against kafirs and heathens. Muslims are taught that Hindus are satanic and the only time Muslims have peace in the world is when Muslims strive hard to establish Dewar-ul Islam.
When the Pope issued statements of Catholics to establish a Christian Nation in India or Mullahs declare jihad war against Hindus, Ramakrishna Mission issued no statements or said nothing against such atrocious game plans. For the Pope and Mullahs political domination and subjugation of Hindus is more precious than coexistence, pluralism, peace, harmony, and justice.
Interfaith dialogue is a Paradox especially when applied to the world of deceptive missionary techniques, Jihadi terrorism, beheading of kaffirs, subversive activities, sabotage, and creating social unrest and havoc in Hindu society. Interfaith dialogue is a reality and viable between religious groups that are tolerant, universal, and respectful towards each other. Ramakrishna Mission that strives for friendship and cordial relationship with Jihadi enemies and hostile Vatican camps has turned the word interfaith dialogue into soiled and tarnished rags.
Ramakrishna Mission, I think is guilty of mentally misdirecting Hindus and making them as spineless Zombies and subjecting innocent Hindus for Jihadi terrorism, Maoist violence and coercive religious conversion. But despite untold horror stories of Hindu massacre from Bangladesh, Pakistan, Fiji and Malaysia it is sad that the word interfaith dialogue permeates from Ramakrishna Mission.
Ramakrishna Mission never will abandon their dreams. But it is time for Hindus to remind them that their naïve dreams and funny acts make those dogmatic tyrants stronger while creating nightmare for Hindus. Ramakrishna Mission often creates a catastrophic erosion of our culture and creates an atmosphere conducive for Jihadis and Vatican to cut our spiritual roots.
WHAT DIRECTIONS FOR RAMAKRISHNA MISSION?
One of the most frustrating things for Hindus since Islamic invasion and Christian colonialism has been the demands from the Pope and Jihadis for the proof that Ram and Krishna is GOD. At the same time, political miscreants, Marxist misfits, fraudulent-phony secular historians, alienated academicians and fake Swamis of Ramakrishna Mission refuse to admit historical facts or question irrelevant Islamic and Christian claims of divine and political dominance. They refuse to ask pertinent questions to Islamic or Christian leaders. Instead, they find comfort in promoting interfaith dialogue, distorted history, false claims, and irrelevant facts. The mental process at work of Ramakrishna Mission, Marxists and pseudo secularists are so fundamentally false that we cannot literally comprehend them.
What it means for Hindus is that we should not waste too much effort trying to prove that we are ethical, practice Hindu Dharma, promote real freedom, peaceful, and believe in coexistence, pluralism and spirituality.
Ramakrishna Mission makes interfaith dialogue and phony secularism more appealing to Hindus who practice pluralism, religious freedom and tolerance. The rigid, fundamentalist Pope and Mullahs know it fully well that it is a lip service. They are unwilling to compromise with their non compromising ideas. They demand little if any action from the followers of Islam and Christianity who believe and practice Jihadi terrorism and coercive religious conversion. As proponents of pseudo secularism and interfaith dialogue with our deadly enemies, Ramakrishna Mission is free to focus on their deviant ideals and false claims of our enemies. In the process they totally neglect their responsibility for practicing and promoting Hindu Dharma. Ramakrishna Mission is busy promoting aggressive policies of the Vatican and the Mullahs. They claim foolishly that embracing pseudo secularism and interreligious dialogue is a sign of superior intelligence. They seem to forget that they are denouncing our sacred, universal, eternal, pluralistic Hindu Dharma. This is not Ramakrishna Mission used to be. The classical philosophy of Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa as espoused by Swami Vivekananda did offer instructions on Hindu Dharma and spoke of the obligations and responsibilities of every Hindu to promote our sacred Vedic Dharma.
Today’s Ramakrishna Mission would be hardly recognizable to the ideas of Swami Vivekananda who saw the damaging influence of dogmatic fundamentalists and servile dependency of Hindus on Islamists and Christians. He would have had little patience for the divisive culture and hostile deception of fundamentalists. He would have been deeply troubled by the self-destructive behavior of present Swamis of Ramakrishna Mission. Swami Vivekananda believed that Hindus have obligation and responsibility that go beyond simply supporting pseudo secularism, one way interfaith dialogue and endorsing Jihadi terrorism and coercive religious conversion. Swami Vivekananda would not have been comfortable with the collective efforts of present day Ramakrishna Mission.
DEFENDING HINDU DHARMA
Hindutva is vital for the moral, social, psychological, political and spiritual survival of our nation and Hindus can survive only if we assertively practice, promote and defend our core Hindus values. Over the last few years, fake Swamis of Ramakrishna Mission has been betraying Hindus. Hindus have been violated; our Dharma has been commercialized and put to shame. Hindus have been betrayed by those who have the official mandate to preserve our heritage. And by the interfaith dialogue with our enemies, Ramakrishna Mission has been trying to put us to shame time again. Hindus should not stand by idly watching such painful decay passively.
Whose fault is it anyway that Ramakrishna Mission can continue such deviant behavior? Hindus should not deliberately choose to ignore such atrocious acts. Hindus should ensure that fake Swamis are not to be empowered to continue such criminal acts fearlessly. It is time for Hindus to act in an audacious manner to make sure that such fake organizations should not benefit to the detriment of Hindus.
When the collective consciousness of Hindus is asleep, our enemies can conquer us, invade us, convert us and it will create fertile ground for coercive religious conversion. When Hindus are overwhelmingly strong, morally, spiritually and politically, our enemies cannot destroy us. So I repeat, whose responsibility is it any way to make us strong?
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RAKESH RAI |
|THE COLOSSAL BETRAYAL
THE WHOLE STORY OF RK MISSION'S BETRAYAL OF THE HINDU CAUSE CAN BE FOUND HERE.I HAVE SEEN THEM FROM CLOSE QUARTERS AND THEY ARE THE REAL
'PAKHANDIS' OF HINDU FAITH.
Hi Dr. Babu,
Many Hindus worship Sai Baba of Shirdi, but they are staunch Hindus.
Many Hindus in Mumbai worship Mount Mary, but are proud Hindus.
As long as we are Hindus it does not matter if we revere saints of other religions.
In fact we cannot avoid recognizing holy men or some good things in the other religions, just like we cannot avoid appreciating great men from other countries.
As for Christmas celebration are concerned I hear that it is popular
among Jews in Israel also.
In India it is primarily popular among non-Christians because of the fun factor involved in it, just like Diwali is popular among non-Hindus sometimes.
So dilution of Hinduism is not going to happen here because we are taking a little bit of what others have.
prof. c.i.issac |
|Is secularism a weakness of Hindu?
Shocking news. If it is true who will safeguard Hindu life in Hindustn? Secularism is now mania to contemporary hindus!
I think the mission is not eligible to engage itself on behalf of Hindus. In seventies, in a case with its college employees, this organization claimed in court that they are not hindus and hence minority. The lower court verdict was against and the mission appealed in high court. H.C. allowed its appeal and the verdict went in favor of of the mission. The supreme court recently ( few years back gave a verdict against it. Please correct me if I am wrong. Whatever the case may be, this organization went to the extent of leaving the hindu fold. That is important and shows their approach. Hence they are not eligible even to talk about hindus. Such matters are like thorn and leaf. Whichever falls on the other the ultimate damage will be to leaf. And today the Hinduism is like leaf and the ultimate threat is to the survival of Hinduism.
The Truth |
|no knowledge in present Ram Krishna Mission
One big problem with the interfaith-dialogue is that while the desert-religions just stick to faith/prayer and don't want to go beyond that, Hindu-religion aimes for knowledge and when knowledge is gained, faith becomes unimportant. So how can these two - unknowledge (= faith) and knowledge can have a dialogue? This is impossible. The only-believers will never understand (from experience) what the knower (those who know) is talking about and thus will only ridicule and reject him. And that's exactly what's happening. It's a shame that the Rama Krishna Paramhans mission, founded by exactly those two who KNEW, Shri Ram Krishna and Swami Vivekanand, and after knowing had rejected faiths/believes, agrees with such an unwise project (interfaith dialogue). How low this once noble mission has fallen!
|To be discussed with SRK Mutt Admin
Namaste Babu Sueelanji,
When this Inter-faith dialgoue is supposed to take place? You should have written the matter in this mail directly to administration to the SRK Mutt. My view point is that these kind of articles should NOT be openly published [ as HK has got lakhs of Readers ] , since it gives a picture that there is a internal quarrel in our HINDU DHARMA.It would have been better that you directly communicated this matter to SRK mutt , as I know some Swamis who are Sangh swayamsevaks. They would have patiently responded to our apprehensions.
A very good article by Dr.Babu Suseelan. I am really shocked to hear the present condition of Ramakrishna mutt. A few weeks back I suggested and posted some comments to a Hindu web site to request Ramakrishna mutt to take up the cause of Hindus since this mutt is well establish in all the major cities and urban areas and has got a good infrastructure and acceptable by all. (Siva Vaishanva, Brahmin & non-Brahmin). Initially to request all Hindus to enroll their names with the nearest mutt. Arrange for weekly meeting to discuss the problems of Hindus. Monthly twice arranging religious discourse by various swamijis of all sects. Arranging interfaith dialogue of other religion at our place once in six month to explain the obstruction caused to Hindus and how it will affect the religious harmony etc., to unite all walks of Hindu and raise their voice /vote value at the time of election. Also specifically I mentioned that Brahmins should only participate as volunteers and not to take up any controlling position and decision making. When I posted this comment I know very well that Ramakrishna mission administration started turning their Hindu stand by claiming minority status. Also know that some anti Brahmin mutt priest are publishing lot of distorted books about the teaching and lectures of Ramakrishna and Vivekananda in the regional language. After reading your article now I realize it is only a hopeless attempt to fish in the trouble waters. Request to post this article to Ramakrishna Head Mutt in Kolkata individually by all Hindus along with their comments
In Calicut, kerala, even the sri sri scholls are celebrating x -mas.I was actually stunned when i heard about this. Not only here, now even in amruthanandamayi mathams are celebrating x-mas. These type of actiivites demoralise hindus and and slowly stoping hindu acharams in homes.
|To serve - the purpose
The main idea of formation of Ramakrishna Mission is to alleviate the sufferings of poor in India and reduce or mitigate the difficulties arise out of caste conflict in India.
Are these things happening?
When Tsunami struck TN, Ramakrishna Mission did yeoman services to poor and other needy by constructing houses. It did another thing of restore the soil from salty one (affected by tsunami) to cultivable one. It introduced techniques, brought experts in the field gave courage to farmers and made them believe in themselves. Even now, any one can take sanyas and read vedas in Ramakrishna Mission. An offshoot of Ramakrishna Mission is located at outskrits of Trichy by name Thiruparaithurai, which is doing very good service.
But the present maladies of Ramakrishna mission as described in the articles is mainly due to the ruling of congress for all these days. For example, to be eligible to receive donation and retain the money with them under the Income tax act, the mission had to announce themselves as minority group. Unless, otherwise you engage in social services to other coreligionists, you cannot claim benefits from Income tax act. This era is survival of the fittest era. There is no other go for them. They have to maintain their status in the missions situated abroad - as there are no rituals attached in the sect- they have to do something. Earlier they used to publish Upanishads in vernacular and mingle with people. They constructed schools, but not free to run depend on govt` s dictum resulting in eradication of merit. What can they do? If only, the government exempted them long back - from certain clauses, ( of course Nehru wouldn't have allowed) then present India will be entirely a different one. More hospitals resulting in less dependance on x-ian aids, importance to cultural education - (earlier Purusha suktham was taught in their schools, now not). Bio-based farming, less caste conflictss.
My conclusion for the present malady - Blame cong.
|BE A PROUD HINDU
Right Thoughts in the Right Direction.
These are the thoughts that time require from us.
Jai Hind !
I observe over many decades this practice of the Hindus. But the reality is that Hindus are not the only community in this country and they need to co-exist with our faiths. A strict disposition of 'mind your own faith' would earn the ire of all other communities. They have to tow in line with many faiths; but all the same maintain their indivituality zealously. A plural society has no doubt reached beyond a point of no return. An isolated and independant approach wouldnt survive. Even the political party BJP failed as a National Party since it practised a monolistic path. Only by holding a secular image this party can be in the reckoning at the National level. Or else the alternative is to be a sectarian one like IUML and KC towing in line with the bigger and larger Congress Party.
Rajan Raghavan |
|Inter-faith dialogue of Sri Ramakrishna Mission
Inter-faith dial assumes a commonality among faiths which the Hindus fall for. Though at the level of realisation the Ultimate is the same,the lower levels of life,practice and frictions of life veil this to nonexistence.Other faiths flourish in India not on the merits of their principles: their political and economic power help them to it.
Hindus as a society do not seek political power,and others use them as tools to gain power lured by the slogans of secularism.Unfortunately,our acharyas do not focus on this aspect of living as a society' They taught us of the Ultimate and the ways of reaching it.
The phenominal ignorrance of the Hindus of the essence of their faith has much to answer for. The innumerable deities confuse them. The denial of knowledge to the lower castes and the caste system itself bar Hindu unity. The caste-based politics divide the Hindus afresh at every election time. Various types of reservation on caste basis reminds the Hindus of their disunity. The caste parties of the Hindus even make alliances with those of others for electoral gain.
The Hindus maintain no institutionalised system of religious education. Most swamis are charlatans, and ignorant of the sublime aspects which only a realized soul understands. And they are not available to guide society.And the charlatans plough on in ignorance of what they think is Hiduism.The iner faith dialoguers are products of this school.
Other faiths participate in this to drive a wedge in the Hindu society and propagate their 'only and true faith' and of the sin of idol and Satan worship which,they say,the others are practising. They never compromise on their faith but make others compromise.
I believe,the Hindu society and Hindu faith can survive only by political power. The Hindus must create a system of religious education for their children and to train religious preceptors. They should be well provided for.