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Ramdevji reaffirms Agniveer’s stand on Muslim reservations
05/06/2012 11:16:46  Agniveer




Adapted from
http://agniveer.com/6890/ramdev-reservations/






Namaste Patriots,

Agniveer expresses its appreciation to the clarification of Sri Ramdevji on the very sensitive and controversial issue of reservations for Dalit Muslims under Article 341 as demanded by Sri Ramdevji on 12th May, 2012 while addressing a kind of gathering of a particular sect of Islam organized for reservation for Dalit Muslims under Article 341. (Click here for video). In his speech on that fateful day, out of emotional outburst coupled with ignorance of implications of Dalit Muslim getting benefit of reservations under Article 341, Sri Ramdevji announced his plans to initiate an agitation for Dalit Muslims even if Maulanas do not support them.

For reasons best known to him, Sri Ramdevji did not rest there but he thought it necessary and obligatory to openly shower praise and gratitude upon several people who, due to active financial and field support from Islamic fundamentalists and Christians, under the guise of spearheading the cause of Dalit Reservations have had in the past led several ”conversion drives” of so-called Dalit Hindus to Islam and Christianity.

One such “HERO” and “IDOL” of Sri Ramdevji, who was also present at that selective gathering was Dr. Udit Raj who has dedicated his life to the mission for conversion of so-called Dalit Hindus in Islam and Christianity. In fact, for Dr Udit Raj (Narayan), Sri Ramdevji specially mentioned that he is one person “who has fought for Dalits on basis of truth and nothing else”.

Ironically, Dr Udit Raj rose to fame because of his belief that “so-called Dalit Hindus should adopt any religion except Hinduism” and the abuses he hurled on Maryadapurushottam Shri Ram – the role model of every nationalist.

Sri Ramdevji’s such admiration for a well- known and proclaimed Hindu hater and a speech in this special conference that clearly stated Muslim reservations in Article 341 as one of the main agenda (refer the large poster just behind Sri Ramdevji in the video) was indeed shocking not only for a large section of his followers and office bearers of Bharat Swabhiman Trust (BST) & Patanjali Yog Peeth Trust (PYPT) but for all those people of this great country who have love in their hearts for this motherland. All were equally aghast to hear this stand of Sri Ramdevji.

Despite our appreciation for many works done by him including his efforts in making Hathyoga popular as a household thing and that we have no personal issues of any nature with Sri Ramdevji, we could not ignore demand and request from millions of nationalistic souls requesting us to take this issue on behalf of “sons-daughters of motherland”. Thus representing the popular sentiments and emotions of a patriot and awakened common man, Agniveer was constrained to write a series of articles questioning the passionate demand of Sri Ramdevji of Muslim reservations in Article 341. A copy of these articles was sent by e-mail to Sri Ramdevji and officials of Bharat Swabhiman Trust.

It was analyzed and logically demonstrated to millions of rational and patriots of “Bharatmata” in India and abroad through those articles as to how this dangerous step and demand of reservations for Muslims and Christians in SC/ST category (wrongly called Dalits), if implemented, could bring more dangers for majority community than what they faced in last 1000 years of plunder first by fanatic Islamic invaders and then under British Imperial Rule put together. And overnight Hindus will be in minority in their own and only country.

Patriots took a sigh of relief when due to the unprecedented pressures from all walks of the society including those disgruntled in the BST & PYPT, in the interim, a Press Release came from Sri Ramdevji (whose copy was sent to us as well) that vaguely indicated that he was and is unaware of the provisions of Article 341 and implication of his demand. The press release further indicated that it was simply a mistake and that otherwise Sri Ramdevji is against any misuse of Article 341.

However in the recent interview Sri Ramdevji very clearly indicated that he only favors economic reservations. There are still some unanswered questions relating to his special praise of Dr Udit – who proudly asserts that all Hindus should become Muslims, Christians or Buddhists but never remain Hindus. Also, why did he choose to speak in favor of a sensitive and serious issue like Article 341 without due study in a selective and targeted gathering which very clearly listed Article 341 amendments as its main agenda in very bold fonts and was led by all prominent leaders of Muslim Reservation movement.

But we appreciate the concern of Sri Ramdevji and other responsible office bearers of BST & PYPT that since Sri Ramdevji is now in political arena, coming out very clear on these issues may not be a politically wise step and difficult and we wish to say no more at present on this issue.

However we appreciate the fact that Sri Ramdevji has realized his mistake before it could turn into a blunder and thereafter plunder this great Nation.

We don’t wish to hold back our appreciation for Sri Ramdevji for his categorically statement that he is opposed to Muslim or Christian reservations under Article 341. To best of what we understand, Sri Ramdevji implies that (and Sri Ramdevji or officials from his organizations may correct us if we are wrong):

1. He is opposed to any demands for minority reservations on the basis of religion.

2. He supports reservations ONLY on basis of economic lines irrespective of caste or religion.

3. He admits that he, at the time of his speech supporting Muslim reservations, was completely unaware of Article 341. But now he is extremely keen to work towards making a “reservation free” Nation.

We assume that it also means that unless there is a revised reservation policy only on the basis of poverty, he is completely opposed to any change in Article 341 provisions.

We welcome this statement and we support this revised stand of Sri Ramdevji which toes the line of Agniveer. We also welcome the recent judgment of Andhra Pradesh High Court that struck down the attempts of Center to create a 4.5% sub-quota for Muslims in OBC quota.

As per Agniveer, there should be no reservations for minority religions. And all economically and socially backward societies and individuals of the nation should be supported by affirmative programs that encourage them to improve upon their competitiveness and be meritorious. So that everyone of us can proudly claim whatever he or she deserves purely on basis of merit. In this evaluation of merit, there should be no place for any discrimination on basis of caste or religion. Special efforts should be made to drive our society towards a completely casteless society.

However, in the interim, as we evolve towards a complete merit-based system and existing system is phased out, reservations should be restricted only for Hindus and allied religions. This would justify the claim of Islam and Christianity of being casteless religions. And also ensure that there are no unethical conversions into Islam and Christianity – the top 2 religions of the world that clearly encourage conversion as a means to achieve Heaven, as per many schools of respective religions.

We congratulate Sri Ramdevji for coming a step closer to our dream of a meritocratic India. And we affirm our commitment to support him or any nationalist person in all means – tan, man, dhan – in coming even closer on common noble objectives.

Sri Ramdevji’s pain with inequality that caused him to give that speech can be subdued if he raises a movement in favor of Uniform Civil Code to remove all inequalities in the country. Let all Indians have one nation, one law.

Agniveer wishes Sri Ramdevji all the best for his upcoming movement against corruption and black money. We hope he will also raise voice against discriminatory Laws against Minorities and demand Uniform Civil Code for all. After all inequality and appeasement breed corruption.

Additionally, we also urge Sri Ramdevji and all patriotic forces of the country to work towards consolidation of votes of entire cultural and nationalist population of the nation. We should ensure that our votes do not split up because democracy demands unity of all noble forces.

May we soon realize the dream of a corruption-free “Akhand Bharat” where we have one nation, one family, one law for all of us.

Vande Mataram


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Wishwindre Sital
17/10/2012 05:22:31
Change all moslim name of every village and street
Nameste Dji,
Bharath ka sudhi hona behut urgent hai! All moslim name of towns,village and street must banned of bharath.

Djai bharath.

Wishwindre Sital
Aron
12/06/2012 10:17:16
Approval Seeking syndrome

Let us first understand the psychology behind such social gaffes instead of jumping on the poor baba.

For he is not the first or be the last hindu 'saint' who will embarass the Hindu nation like this- it all started long before even Gandhiji.

Dr koenraad Elst has traced this as an inbuilt feature of Hindu minds- to deny the antagonism of its adversaries and to seek approval from them. The trade off usually costs heavily hindu interests.

Ramdev Baba's endorsement of Muslim Reservations is just the same psychological flaw that many other spiritual figures and organsations share-

From fiercely Reconverting muslims in droves Swami Shradhananda made a great stunt show of bearing his chest to British police firing- for of all things in frontlines of a muslim mob that was rioting for the Reinstalation of the Calipha they had removed at Turkey. A muslim shot him dead.

Gandhi endorsed Khilafat with such fanfare that many hindus donated their jewellery to him( like my own great grandmother). Hindu Muslim Unity manifested like magic- and ended at a good slaughter of malayalee hindus by the moplahs.

This Approval seeking is a weakness of mind- inherent to even otherwise staunchly hindu organisations and leaders with stellar credentials. We find this even with Sangh, when Sudarshanji described Prophet Mohamad's iconoclasm (that will lead later to tragic invasion of Idolatorous India)as a Reformist movement amidst Idolators! Most BJP leaders have displayed its symptoms- "muslims are well off in BJP states" (as though thats secular and not communal indicator and why hindus must rejoice that?)-while none has so far stated 'hindus are better off and safer at BJP ruled states? Advaniji famous endorsement of Jinnah as Secular - and Terror has no Religion are much the same mental syndrome.
The average Hindu also repeats "we are not worshipping idols!" instead of asking whats your problem with Idols and why that should trouble Allah?

A self confident Hindu mind is solution.
T.C.Govindan
06/06/2012 23:35:49
Ramdevji reaffirms Agniveer’s stand on Muslim reservations
Mr. Agniveer,
What is the point in expressing appreciation to the clarification of Baba Rmadev after achieving your secret agenda against him.
I think you have not read my mail properly or, you people are pretending that you do not know the move of the corrupt christist Sonia Govt, to appeal in the SC against AP High court verdict. This news has come in all the news papers on 29 May But I have not seen any hue and cry against the Govt from Agniveer and his supporters. But if you are really concerned on reservation to minority, why are you not protesting against the biased Govt move? Why are you blaming only Baba Ramdev? This clearly shows that you are supporting the corrupt and anti-hindu Sonia Govt. Read the report given below. Similarly Agniveer and his supporters did not raise any voice against the draconian, blatantly anti-hindu Communal Violence Bill. But you people were very prompt in raising your voice against Baba Ramdev. So your sincerity and agenda are questionable in this regard.

Centre to challenge Andhra Pradesh high court order on sub-quota for minorities
PTI May 29, 2012, 07.09PM IST


· Andhra Pradesh Ruling on Minority Quota
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(The Andhra Pradesh HC had…)
NEW DELHI: The Centre will challenge in the Supreme Court the order of the Andhra Pradesh High Court striking down its 4.5 per cent sub-quota to minorities within OBC reservation in central educational institutions and jobs saying that the decision was based on religious grounds.

"We will go to the Supreme Court by way of a special leave petition (SLP) against the Andhra Pradesh high court order," Union minister for law and minority affairs Salman Khurshid told reporters here.This move by the Govt. is more dangerous than what Baba Ramdev is purported to have said on reservation for minorities. What action has Agniveer and his supporters contemplated against the Sonia Govt?
Ram
06/06/2012 19:48:26
Let us be colour blind
Patriotic Hindus should be colour blind. They should not see the colour of the clothes this ramdev baba is wearing and get fooled. Let us go by what they say and do. As long as he was canvassing against MNCs, as long as he was propagating yoga & our value system, as long as he was fighting corruption and as long as he was not taking anti Hindu stand like what he did, he deserved our support. But the moment he started confabulating with anti nationals like that shady characters Agnivesh, the Moslem organisation etc, it is clear that the Kama / lobha in the arishadvargas could have overtaken him and he is preparing the ground to ditch Hindus. The best that can be said in his defence is that he didnotknow and that he was innocent. For that the response is we do not need innocent and gullible folks to lead us. We are better off with such INNOCENT babas shutting their mouth and getting lost. This baba had the courage to say that as a
Sadhu, he thinks for all poor including Moslem poor and he will fight for reservations for them as well. I agree that sadhus will think and should think for Lola kshema. If that is guiding ramdev, let him go and do tapas anusthan and create spiritual power for universal welfare like other sadhus instead of muddying the waters. If he is in politics, he must be looked upon as politician with no sympathy just because heirs wearing saffron or just because he speaks shudh hindi or just because he did good work in the past. Who knows tomorrow he might say that as a sadhu, his goal is VASUDHAIVA kutumbakam and for that reason he is supporting Sonia the Italian for prime minister / president post. We don't want such confused and funny characters to LEAD us. Lastly, please remember that Ravana came in the disguise of a sadhu in saffron to abduct Sita mata. Also M K Gandhi dressed like traditional Hindu and spoke of Bhagavad Gita while silently robbing Hindus. Therefore we do not need such bogus mahatmas and babas any more.
Ram
06/06/2012 11:32:18
Baba baba black sheep
If this baba did not know about udit raj but still praised him and if this baba does not know about article 341 but still spoke about it, he should not be taken as a serious intellectual / leader. The other possibility is he is withdrawing his word under lot of pressure. If this is the case, he is no different from those BJP wallahs who used Hindus and have now abandoned them. In short he is a black sheep in the sadhu community. If he says that he speaks for all poor and he wants reservations for all poor, is he saying that he will ask for 80% reservations? What a joke? He should again be dismissed as nothing but a vote hunter with no Hindu agenda. The constitution rightly provides reservations based on social disadvantage suffered by communities historically. Poor among forward castes must forgo any support from the government as it is just a ruse to pull the moslems into state support system. They would do themselves a lot of favour by focusing on traditional occupations. For example, Brahmins should focus on being poojaris / adhyapaks, Kshatriyas should focus on joining army, vaishyas should focus on some business. This is a blessing in disguise. In short baba ramdev is an unreliable and ambitious individual with dubious agenda. I do not want to honour a loose tongued individual by calling him sadhu mahatma. Itis true that I was also very gullible till this eye opening shocker from this clever by half orator. Now he pulled his own bluff.
Ram
06/06/2012 11:32:18
Baba baba black sheep
If this baba did not know about udit raj but still praised him and if this baba does not know about article 341 but still spoke about it, he should not be taken as a serious intellectual / leader. The other possibility is he is withdrawing his word under lot of pressure. If this is the case, he is no different from those BJP wallahs who used Hindus and have now abandoned them. In short he is a black sheep in the sadhu community. If he says that he speaks for all poor and he wants reservations for all poor, is he saying that he will ask for 80% reservations? What a joke? He should again be dismissed as nothing but a vote hunter with no Hindu agenda. The constitution rightly provides reservations based on social disadvantage suffered by communities historically. Poor among forward castes must forgo any support from the government as it is just a ruse to pull the moslems into state support system. They would do themselves a lot of favour by focusing on traditional occupations. For example, Brahmins should focus on being poojaris / adhyapaks, Kshatriyas should focus on joining army, vaishyas should focus on some business. This is a blessing in disguise. In short baba ramdev is an unreliable and ambitious individual with dubious agenda. I do not want to honour a loose tongued individual by calling him sadhu mahatma. Itis true that I was also very gullible till this eye opening shocker from this clever by half orator. Now he pulled his own bluff.
Daalchan
06/06/2012 02:14:31
Baba's virtual reality
Oh Baba, are you speaking for those people who were not ashamed to and were very able to create Pakistan? Do you honestly think they're that financially weak? Do you honestly think that if they become richer they'll start loving Bharat Mata more? In which reality do you live?
pvas
06/06/2012 02:08:54
Stealing of temple assets by state governments
By the time one atrocity by anti-hindu government or organizations comes to the notice of the sleeping Hindus, other atrocities committed quietly by anti-hindu elements go unnoticed or just ignored by hindus.
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Another charge that has been made is that the Andhra Government has also allowed the demolition of at least ten temples for the construction of a golf course. Imagine the outcry, writes Knapp, if ten mosques had been demolished.

It would seem that in Karanataka, Rs 79 crore were collected from about two lakh temples and from that amount temples received only Rs seven crores for their maintenance. Muslim madrassas and Haj subsidy of Rs 59 crore and churches about Rs 13 crore were given. Because of this, Knapp writes, 25 per cent of the two lakh temples or about 50,000 temples in Karnataka will be closed down for lack of resources, and he adds: The government continues to do this is because people have not stood up to stop it.


http://www.organiser.org/Encyc/2012/6/3/-b-Govt-sponsored-loot-of-Hindu-TemplesForeign-writer-opens-our-eyes--b-.aspx?NB=&lang=4&m1=&m2=&p1=&p2=&p3=&p4=&PageType=N
ravi
05/06/2012 20:14:18
Baba
Recent news states that Baba Ramdev sought the help of Sharad Pawar in his so called fight against black money and the second said man endorsed Baba's stand. Now of all the politicians it is Pawar whom he approaches! Perhaps This politician tops the list of corruption accused according to previous news reports from the time of his chief minister-ship. Baba Ramdev's intentions are not very clear. Now with his stand on Muslim reservations and agniveers approval clearly indicates that this Baba is not for the protection of Hindu culture, using which he gained popularity. Anyway people should be careful while following him in political matters. Otherwise they (Hindus) will end up fighting for destruction of their own culture. Hindus must learn a lesson; do not believe any one in their religious matters. I doubt that this Baba will derail anti corruption drive of Anna Hazare also.
ravi
05/06/2012 20:14:18
Baba
Recent news states that Baba Ramdev sought the help of Sharad Pawar in his so called fight against black money and the second said man endorsed Baba's stand. Now of all the politicians it is Pawar whom he approaches! Perhaps This politician tops the list of corruption accused according to previous news reports from the time of his chief minister-ship. Baba Ramdev's intentions are not very clear. Now with his stand on Muslim reservations and agniveers approval clearly indicates that this Baba is not for the protection of Hindu culture, using which he gained popularity. Anyway people should be careful while following him in political matters. Otherwise they (Hindus) will end up fighting for destruction of their own culture. Hindus must learn a lesson; do not believe any one in their religious matters. I doubt that this Baba will derail anti corruption drive of Anna Hazare also.
Archpagan
05/06/2012 20:04:02
No Dalit
The word 'dalit' is an insult to Hinduism. Actually the entire Hindu nation was 'dalit' under 1000-year old Muslim Christian domination. Hindus are the most ancient civilized group of people in the world. In ancient time the state was too weak an institution to sponsor universal education.So, People had to learn his trade from family and clansmen. This gave rise to casteism, marginalizing some group.But, never in history was there any machinery in place to ensure that people follow caste profession. 'Caste oppression' is only a propaganda tool to denigrate Hinduism. Muslims and Christians were far more barbaric. They trapped, caged and sold human being like animal.We should use the words 'ANUSUCHIT JATIS' or 'PRANTAVASIS' to mean the SC's
Ravi Nair
05/06/2012 13:04:12
BETRAYAL OF OUR LEADERS CONTINUES
How can we trust our leaders? Hindus are under foreign slavery and oppression for thosands of years. When our leaders learn from our history? How can we trust them?
Islam don't belive in Dalit Muslim, or upperclass Muslims. For Jihadis, those who do not believe in Allah or pedophile Mohamad are called kafirs or infidels and are beheaded or forced for conversion. It seems Hindus are the only group in the world who want to appease Jihadis and telearte Islamic criminals who act without shame, guilt, or fear. How do we cahnge their thinking or behavior. We need to apply a force continum or force them to go to Pakistan. Muslims have no freedom and we have to force them to freedom. It is a shame that our leaders are still in deep denial and decived by Islamists. At least our leaders should have a responsibility not to push Hindus to submit their neck for Jihadis to behead.
Ravi Nair



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