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'Tavleen Singh and Lord Rama'
10/04/2012 14:13:12  



Dr. Vijaya Rajiva




It was with great interest that the present writer watched the public program on national television, NDTV's  'Path now clear for national role for Narendra Modi ?' (April 10, 2012, with anchor Barkha Dutt). The panelists in the discussion were well known figures such as Ravi Shankar Prasad of the BJP, Lord Meghnad Desai and journalist Tavleen Singh. The question that was being discussed was whether the SIT Report clearing Shri Modi of any guilt (by association) in the Gulbarg Massacre of 2002 in Gujarat would now pave the way for Shri Modi to play a national role ?

The question quickly focussed on the problem of perception, even though as anchor Barkha Dutt pointed out , the Chief Minister was clearly winning the legal battle. Would Shri Modi ever shake off the association with the Gujarat riots of 2002 in the public perception of guilt ? Needless to say, the question itself was loaded and assumed that a majority of Indians, outside the circle of  the'beautiful' people had made the association.

Shri Ravi Shankar Prasad made a cogent and persuasive case that the people of Gujarat had moved on precisely because in the intervening 10 years there had been no riots there (whereas under the previous Congress governments there had been frequent riots) and the state was moving on with the prosperity that  Chief Minister Modi had initiated with good governance and development. He began by saying that all riots should be condemned ( and Gujarat has had a long history of riots) and that the guilty should be brought to justice. Many have already been convicted and the cases are going on in the courts. He added, with justification, that the there has been a vilification campaign against Narendra Modi, both nationally and internationally ( there is no doubt now that such a process has been going on).

It is not clear why Lord Meghnad Desai was invited to speak, apart from the fact that he is good at putting out homilies. In this case his position was : let the Chief Minister make a public apology and all would be well ! This, ofcourse, is  a red herring. It is a disingenuous way of getting Shri Modi to admit to something he is not guilty of, and then jump on him with the argument that he has confessed !

Journalist Tavleen Singh disagreed with this saying that the problem of perception would never go away( this appears to be wishful thinking on her part). By her judgment Narendra Modi had failed to control the mobs (not accurate, since the army was called in at the earliest, while his requests for help from neighbouring states was not even heeded). When asked by the anchor whether the SIT Report had not made a difference, she replied in the negative. This is surprising for someone who holds forth on the rule of law. The SIT (Special Investigative Team set up by the Supreme Court to specifically examine whether there was any evidence against Shri Modi that could be used for criminal prosecution) had cleared him, but this did not satisfy Ms. Singh presumably. The Indian legal system is not sufficient for her to clear Shri Modi. She will have her pound of flesh ! She proposes that nothing less than a Truth and Reconciliation Commission could clear Mr. Modi once and for all. Apart from the fact that the Gujarat riots were similar to the Partition riots of 1947 and not like the condition of the blacks of South Africa under white racist rule, she seemed oblivious of the fact that a manufactured commission would only reopen wounds which the people of Gujarat had laid to rest. This too is a red herring. It is possible that she is hoping to play some star role in such a commission.

However, what was most astonishing was her airy statement about Modi's circle who would pray to the Lord for this reprieve from the SIT.  " Lord Rama, or whoever they want to pray to. . . . ." were her words. There are two questions that come to mind.

1. Who would Singh herself pray to if she wanted to pray, if indeed she does pray ?
2. Does she have a problem with Lord Rama being prayed to ?

The really SIGNIFICANT question is  whether  Tavleen Singh would have said on national television, under a different set of circumstances : Allah or Jesus Christ or whoever they want to pray to ? Surely not. Neither of these two minority communities like to have their deity's name taken in vain. The response would be swift, all too swift, as she herself knows ! Whereas, anything goes, when referring to a Hindu deity.

Her  reference to Lord Rama, and this said in a  pejorative way, is an indication of how the 'beautiful' people are insensitive to the sentiments of the Hindus. This appears to be a general pattern, as the present writer has observed on several occasions. It is also indicative of the liberal/ elitist approach to the Hindu ethos of the Indian subcontinent. It is also a bowing down to political correctness. The minorities can never be touched, whereas Hindu sentiment is a free for all opportunity to win the approval of the
'beautiful' people.

All in all, Ms Singh appeared in the program to be self righteous and a fit accompaniment was provided by a court jester present !

(The writer is a Political Philosopher who taught at a Canadian university).


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"Whatever"
05/05/2012 18:44:18
("Whatever" was meant to be the Subject not Name field originally)
To Jaswinder, who said "the name of Sri Rama is mentioned 600 times (more than any other God) in our Granth Sahib. There are entire Sikh gharanas who specialize in devotional songs for Sri Rama"

It's quite well-known, though denied vehemently by many Sikhs, which is why I said Sikhism is a standalone religion now (not in the past). Tell Tavleen Singh and the many others like her that, I'm not the one with the short memory. Yet it looks like you came all the way here not to criticise her statement, but mine.

God Rama is of the Vedic Religion, and lived the life of a Vedic Hindu. Sikhism didn't even exist then. These are just facts. Those who hold Rama (Krishna and the rest) dear, hold the Vedic religion dear. Khalistanis are no longer the only Sikhs who are allergic to what this unavoidable allegiance represents, because the Hindu Gods are necessarily tied to Hinduism, while they want Sikhism as a distinct religion. Other Sikhs besides them have tried to erase the memory of the Hindu Gods from Sikhism, convincing a growing number of Sikhs that theirs is a distinct religion. All this is the internal business of Sikhs and it is their problem to solve or promote.

However, when any insult Hindu Gods and Hindus, they are entering into my business. This happens too often, with increasing frequency and is usually far worse than Tavleen Singh's tame demonstration. Hindus needn't stand for these insults to our religion: we can just walk away with our Vedic Gods, as is our right. Hindus lose nothing by the separation, others can make up their own minds if there will be any loss to them.

A little over a 100 years ago, Sikhs still remembered they were of the same religion, worshipping the same Gods. Now Sikhism is increasingly supposed to be its own religion. That's perfectly fine and up to its followers to decide, but they can't have the cake and eat it too. Rama remains a Vedic God. Worship him and you're swearing by his Vedic religion and would defend it.
"Whatever"
05/05/2012 18:27:34
To Anil: people don't need emotional send ups of all the Sikhs you know who respect Rama
Sikhs used to unanimously worship Rama and other Hindu avatars and Gods, and Jaswinder alludes to those who still do. (She even implied that the religion she knows is polytheist.) Sikhs were an openly vaishnava-oriented Hindu tradition once. Eg. "Guru Ramdas, the fourth Sikh Guru who lived between 1534 A.D. and 1581 A.D. continued the tradition of earlier Gurus in stressing the importance of chanting the Lord's name as a means to get rid of the ills that afflict mortal life and attain union with God. The unmistakable influence of Vaishnavism continues to be seen in the songs of Guru Ramdas as in the case of other Sikh Gurus. To Guru Ramdas, as to other Sikh Gurus, God was: Hari, Rama, Govind, Madhusudan, Murari, Narahari, etc."

But now many Sikhs insist their God -turned singular since- is anything but a Hindu God. Sikhism's very consciously ceasing to be the religion it was and is unlikely to return to its original state again. This is entirely Sikhs' choice to make, but I repeat that Sikhism can make the choice only once. Tavleen Singh's made it for herself with her statement and other Sikhs make it repeatedly with their silence in correcting one of their own. Hindus have a right to reciprocate by withdrawing their Gods: Rama's been dubbed "Indian culture" by uncalled-for Hindu generosity, but he's actually specifically Vedic (Hindu) religion.

Hindus needn't stand around brooking insult, waiting in vain for a reconciliation that will never come. All who are worthy and remain unaltered in east and west are of ancient religions with numerous Gods and image-worship. Other Indians who slighted Hindus for these very things may realise one day that the monotheism fad has ceased to be popular, but those who don't hold fast to the Vedic religion today aren't welcome tomorrow either. Loyalists like Jaswinder have been made into collateral damage by her own. It's in her interests, and not Hindus' responsibility, to see her religion restored in time.
shirish dave
15/04/2012 09:01:31
Ms Singh is not qualified
Whose enemy number one is Narendra Modi, is Nehruvian Congress and its allies, have worked hard to set up SIT and this SIT gave a clean chit to Narendra Modi. Now for some people it is a matter of survival and for some others it is a chance to remain in lime light. They have no sense of perception, and they are now blaming the system which has been set up and maintained by themselves since last 60+years.

According to their theory Narendra Modi should remain under so-called legal proceedings have changing frequency with multiple standards, to be continued by any damn means till Narendra Modi some way or other is proved guilty or he finishes his life span.

These perverted people do not know that if such line of action is enforced to them, they would have been behind the bar long back.

Ms Sing is not worthy to call her by name. She absolutely appears to have no respect for great Rama who is a part of culture of a most ancient nation. If the culture of such being is so low than how one can give any importance to it.
Ravi
15/04/2012 05:04:33
Put the facts right
Modiji is a sensitive person.Had he been insensitive he wouldnt had visted riot affected areas immediately and expres solidarity with victims.Modiji did everything to avert Riots.He never instigated Mobs.He brought the situation to control in 72 Hours.I bet No other CM would had acted so efficiently(including the people in BJP) would had acted so swiftly.Riots are unfortunate,they inflict heavy damage,they should not had occured.The situation turned volatile only because of Carnage of 60 Karsewaks who were brutally killed.Tempers ran high in some parts of State.Even Army and police and IB couldnt get stock of the situation.Why not HK publish the facts as to How Modi and Gujarat State administration acted Swiftly
Jaswinder
14/04/2012 15:30:42
Lord Rama in the Granth Sahib
To the ignorant poster who spoke about Sikhs and Lord Rama. Perhaps he is unaware that the name of Sri Rama is mentioned 600 times (more than any other God) in our Granth Sahib. There are entire Sikh gharanas who specialize in devotional songs for Sri Rama. Please do not say such things without knowledge.
Anil Balakrishnan
12/04/2012 01:31:50
Reply to whatever
Sikhs do respect Lord Ram - I have been to Gurudwara on a few occassions and they sing Ram and Krishna Bajans in Gurudwara. Please also note that they do visist temples just like we visit the Gurudwaras. Both Sikhs and Hindus are part of the same heritage. I have come across many swayamsevaks who practice Sikh religion - Actually while I was living in Baroda ( Gujarat ) ,our Mahanagar prachark was a Sikh-Mananiya Balluji ( Ballu Singh Sindhu ) .

There are a handful of misguided people who were bought by Islamic terrorists who demanded Khalisthan and tried to create a wedge between Hindus and Sikhs. But this attempt on the part of anti-Hindu forces have failed miserably . I really feel that the comments of Mr.whatever should not have been posted in this website.
Rahul Banerji
11/04/2012 21:56:04
Tavleen Singh
Let's not be too quick to judge Tavleen Singh. She has on innumerable occasions come out with articles in defense of Hindus and Hinduism. Maybe she is not uninformed about Modi and not favorable disposed to his acquittal or maybe her words have been misconstrued.
Whatever
11/04/2012 09:20:55
She's a Sikh. Rama has nothing to do with her religion.
She's a Sikh. Rama, like all other Hindu Gods, have nothing to do with her religion obviously. Sikhism is a standalone religion now, but this also means that backpeddling is not allowed. Ever.

P.S. Neither burkha dutt (apparently also married to some muslim and herself a convert) nor tavleen singh can be mistaken for beautiful. They aren't even to be described as plain, a term which would suit an indifferent appearance. If people were honest, they would observe how these two were actually ugly. But as neither appears to be paid for their looks, their ugliness is not quite a crime.
But why they're paid to talk is not clear though: even though they were beaten with the ugly stick, they seem to also have been beaten with the stupid stick. So it seems almost cruel to criticise such beknighted people: after all, ugly stupid people also deserve to speak. Of course, that does not mean they deserve to be *heard*. Democracy works both ways.
Viswajith Nair
11/04/2012 07:46:06
Great work!
Commendable job done by Dr. Vijaya rajiva!!!I was seeing it the other day. Those words were very striking and i noticed at that moment itself.She had pre-conceived notions and it was appalling! A high vigil is required to contain the ill-effects of these people. Though she did point out 84 riots as cong's fault but she shouldn't have hurt sentiments of millions of hindus.
Hats Off to watchers like you!!!
Vande matarm!
Dhanus Menon
11/04/2012 04:04:05
wife of slain pak minister
Tavleen singh is the wife of the late pakistan minister Salman taseer.... so we know what we should expect...
guru
10/04/2012 22:05:15
Ugliness revealed, only the chador was beautiful ?
The matter of faith is a very subjective one. That is lesson #1 of true secularism.

Recent analyses by Pushkar Bhatnagar by matching of past astronomical data (which cannot be falsified), against descriptions already existing in the text of Ramayana, prove conclusively that Lord Rama really lived during a certain period ! So praying to Lord Rama, a historical person, will not make me or anyone an idolator and for that matter any less beautiful than Tavleen Singh who probably prefers to pray to living idols ! Such prayer may make me less arrogant but I welcome that.

However, rabid arrogance bordering on contempt of court combined with the evangelic denigration of another's faith, has shaken the clothes and draperies off this so-called 'beautiful' person. Tavleen Singh's true underlying ugliness is thus revealed to us. She did it entirely on her own.
Aron
10/04/2012 21:34:30
Anglo Indian media is a mind game
Dr Vijaya Rajiva is an accomplished writer and incisive in presenting the Hindu samaj's views.
But the game is a mind game which is projection of falsehood and its mirages.
The very self importance of Anglo-Indian media is a myth.

Their importance is bloated and impact very minimal in reality.

If this bunch of pampered and undeserving pseudo intellectuals really had any impact on Indian masses or electorate- Modi wouldnt be the CM 3rd time in a row. The Indian media is a discredited agency thanks to Wikileaks and much of projections are falling apart-Time's cover story being the best example.
The reason why International media still borrows cliches regarding hindutva icons and movements are due to its earlier monopolisation descriptive terms and cursive tags.This is also bound to give way.
One thing we must stop to think and do from now on-is to absolutely give no credibility or relevance to Anglo-indian butlers' club that is Indian media.

Even to dissect their rants is to albeit give a recognition- while they deserve just contempt and stone walling into non-existence.
The other thing is to build up alternate media space that is projected to eclipse and sideline mainstream media.
This has been very ably done already by Dr Vijayaa Rajiva and so many others.
One thing to avoid is to make the incurable Hindu phobics to set the tables of discussion and terms of dialogue.
Burkha is an anomoly of Anglo-Indian media ethics.In International media such discredited (Radia Tapes)media persons would have been chucked out long back.
To reckon such compromised and exposed bunch and attempt to show obvious agendas is actually helpful to their retaining their forced seats of influence.
The days of Tavleens pretending to be brown memsahibs with irreverance are over.
A new generation of whites are flocking to India's ashrams. Folded hands and a burning heart, who are redefining the way India is to be viewed by their world- Loka guru, a beacon of Light,Peace and enlightenment.



 

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