Beware of 'love jihad', Kerala's Christian council warns its flock
21/07/2012 01:01:24  


Vicky Nanjappa- Rediff News



The Christian community in Kerala has expressed its concern about 'love jihad' which, according to the Global Council of Indian Christians, has 'victimised' 2,868 women so far.

The latest case of 'love jihad' concerns a Christian woman from Kochi, who left her husband and married the driver of a school bus. She was later arrested for allegedly supplying SIM cards to Lashkar-e-Tayiba operative Thadiyantavide Nazir, who is currently in prison.

Dr Sajan K George, president of the Global Council of Indian Christians, says that the woman -- Deepa Cheriyan -- converted to Islam and took up the name Shahina. Deepa, whose husband was posted in Middle East, started having an affair with Naushad, who was working as a driver.

When she came to India , she came with two SIM cards and allegedly provided them to Nasir. Deepa Cheriyan alias Shahina was arrested in Kochi on Wednesday by a police team led by Assistant Commissioner of Police Sunil Jacob.

Dr George believes that Deepa, like many others, is a victim of 'love jihad'. WikiLeaks has published a report by United States diplomats that stated, 'Both Hindu and Christian groups have expressed fear and outrage at the plot, while Muslim groups have felt the need to defend their co-religionists against the conspiracy theorists'.

The report said, 'The Commission for Social Harmony and Vigilance of the Kerala Catholic Bishops Council had reported that there had been 2,868 female victims of love jihad in Kerala between 2006 and 2009. The panel had made several recommendations to parents through its newsletter, including a recommendation to monitor children's cell-phones and computers, so that they can be better prepared to fight the phenomenon and resist charming young Muslim men involved in the scheme'.

The Kerala high court had also taken note of the matter and asked the police to investigate the cases of two college-going girls, who were allegedly forced to convert to Islam after marrying Muslim men. Some police officials, political leaders and prominent members of both Hindu and Christian communities continue to suspect that 'forced conversions', backed by foreign funds, was rampant in the state.

The cable, as disclosed by WikiLeaks, said that Sajan George was convinced that 'there was a concerted effort in south India by some Muslim men to get Christian women to fall in love with them in order to convert them'.

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Nemo
24/07/2012 05:39:40
I - To Satyen, who's still wrong about jesus and for excusing christians but not muslims despite both being converts of crusades/jihad
1. Jesus isn't merely most certainly non-existent. He is moreover an Artifice For Aggression, as per the very title of Hindu thinker Sita Ram Goel's book on jesus (a copy is at web.archive.org/web/20080820063012/http://hamsa.org/intro-toc.pdf).

This twin observation is exactly what Roman Emperor Julian had already included in his statement that christianism is an EVIL Lie.

And no, the jesus character has no 'compassionate face': while there was no eternal damnation in the old testament, the new testament/jesus fiction came along and repeatedly threatened all those who wouldn't "accept" with eternal damnation.

Hindus and other "unsaved" really need to stop inventing a jesus(/gawd/allah/mohammed) of their imagination.


2. "Many of them are just the victims of the Church's crusaders"

Just like countless muslims today are just victims of historical and modern jihad.

Both are infected by the delusionary terrorist mindvirus of christianism=islam. Hence christian=muslim behaviour.
But no special pleading for christians over muslims, for jesus/bible/gawd over mohammed/koran/allah, for christianism over islam.


Still, Hindus' first loyalty should be to the insubvertible inconvertible Hindus, who are always the first victims of christianism=islam, since they will not be converted by threat or subversion, but remain stubbornly loyal to their Gods. Being unapologetic traditional Hindus, they have an in-built resistance and immunity. (Whereas one wonders if people who converted out once will convert out again--say to scientology next.)


3. I'm most certainly supportive of all *proper* reversions by ethnic Indians to their ancestral Vedic Hindu religion. The way Emperor Julian PROPERLY reverted to his ancestral GrecoRoman religion, Hellenismos.
All *such* reversions are most welcome, because proper reversions to the Religions of the Gods results in traditional Hindus who are insubvertible inconvertibles, and are consciously immune and resist.
Nemo
24/07/2012 05:39:40
II - To Satyen: "christian BROTHERS torturing tribals"? Whose brothers? Not mine.
And that leads to:
4. I am for traditional Hindu religion (which is what all the unconverted, everyday Hindus have been practising in unbroken succession). The proper views of the Hindu Gods of the Vedas, as is instilled by traditional Hindu religion, results in proper reversion. E.g. the ex-muslims who returned wholly to their Hindu Gods at haindavakeralam.com/hkpage.aspx?PageID=12933&SKIN=S
I do not support modern/reformist/.. movements. The ex-christians and ex-muslims who turn to such avenues for re-conversion are however welcome to return to traditional Hindu Religion.


5. "Hence, they should mend their ways and accept Hinduism i.e. Bharteey way of living."
Hinduism is a RELIGION: it's the Religion of the Hindu Gods (the Hindu Gods are what the Vedas are concerned with).


6. "The Christian brothers should realize while torchering the tribals that their great grand mothers might have undergone similar fates."

- Christians (e.g. in Korea) are quite happy knowing their *living* grandmothers will be roasting in hell for not accepting jesus. Muslims are equally immune to filial piety.

- How are christians who torture "tribals" our "brothers"?

No christian who ever tortured or tormented Hindu Vanavasis (or any other kind of loyal Hindu) will EVER be my "brother", and is Not welcome to revert back.
I do not betray those loyal to the Hindu Gods, who're my real brothers. But you're quite ready to forgive any crime I see, Satyen. Convenient for you that christians have only been killing Hindus whom you've never met and care less about than for potential converts for agniveer.

For a change, instead of sticking up for christians (even when they torture our Hindus!)--for being a "potential" source of reverts--how about you stand up for the inconvertible Hindus who're being genocided: their reliability--steadfast loyalty to our ancestral Gods--is PROVEN, frequently even being tested in the extreme by christianism=islam's convert-or-kill procedure.
Nemo
24/07/2012 05:39:40
Hindus should take note: christians fear facts about christianism gaining wide propagation through repetition. Therefore Hindus *should* propagate them
Mathew, like other christians who invite themselves over to HK, is afraid of *facts* exposing christianism.

Note how none of them can ever refute any of it. So they demand the victim populations to be silent: "don't reveal it", they insist. One christian tactic is to resort to calling it "propaganda" or "hate-mongering"--never mind that facts know no emotion. It's merely christians' way of *admitting* they can't refute it. (But then, facts tend to be irrefutable...)

So christians all screech to have facts silenced. "Don't repeat facts" they threaten, even when it's news from the famously anti-Hindu BBC (best known for excusing all news of jihadi terrorist attacks on Hindus with "Hindus were killed because of Ayodhya/Godhra"). Yet even the virulently anti-Hindu BBC's had to admit that christianism's been engaged in mass ethnic-cleansing & genocide of native religionists in India's northeast.

More laughably still, mathew imagines that "cutting & pasting" *facts* somehow renders facts less relevant. But christians--having so little experience with truth--clearly don't understand the nature of facts:
FACTS DON'T CEASE TO BE TRUE NO MATTER HOW OFTEN THEY'RE REPEATED. Like how christianism's lies and propaganda don't cease to be false no matter how often they're bandied about. (Christians of course believe the latter readily, because they're given over to "blind faith". They're made immune to facts, as mathew's demonstrated.)

No greater sign of christianism's fear of exposure than when its christians appear on *Hindu* sites and, in typical christian desperation, try to:
1. divert from the topic of genocide/love crusade by bringing in "caste" or
2. warn off others from acquainting themselves with verifiable facts: since christians have no valid counter, they present facts being "merely" copied and pasted as a crime. (Quite like how christian apologists' lame & sole response to the western field of Biblical Criticism is: "But it's not saying anything new."
mathew
23/07/2012 06:55:43
Amusing...
Nemo.... I am rather amused by Nemo's fervor. All this dubious stuff he/ she is cutting and pasting by way 'research' is already there in various sites run be people who share Nemo's hate-mongering fury. Endlessly cutting and pasting the same stuff is a fruitless exercise. Amazing that people can spend their time in this as if it is almost a vocation.
Satyen
22/07/2012 15:40:38
Nemo
I would like to clear doubts by rephrasing my views regarding Hindus vis a vis Love Jihad/proselytization. First, I don't affirm the existence of Christ. Even if he existed, he had been just with a humane and compassionate face. I can praise his character, may not be all of his teachings when they go against our Dharmic values.
Second, I have differented between the church and the Christians. Many of the nuns have been the victim of church's inmates. I also fully agree with the tenets of the so called Christianity is very similar to the Quranic one as far as their interface with the Hindus is concerned. We must be very cautious when dealing with them.

However, I differ with our treatment with the present day Christians. Many of them are just the victims of the Church's crusaders. Their forefathers have been dealt with cruelty and mothers/grandmothers have been torcherd/allured. So, those of the Christians who acknowledge these facts and realize that we were one and have been separated from the Hindus due to extreme sutuations, should be considered Bharateey Christians. We must open our doors to let them come back in our Dharmic home. In other words, there should be acceptance to the Hindu fold. The Christian brothers should realize while torchering the tribals that their great grand mothers might have undergone similar fates. Hence, they should mend their ways and accept Hinduism i.e. Bharteey way of living.

Many of the Christians have done it. Go to the following site:

www.agniveer.com

It's an opportunity for them to correct the historical compulsion. However, initiative will have to be taken by the Hindus by educating the Christians. Just beating chest and doing nothing will not bring about the desred result. So, take the initiative and don't be disappointed by the meagre result. It will take time but will become a wildfire. Just be stead fast. Please go to agniveer.com and align yourself. You may not be agree with them on all of their views.
Satyen
22/07/2012 15:40:38
Nemo
I would like to clear doubts by rephrasing my views regarding Hindus vis a vis Love Jihad/proselytization. First, I don't affirm the existence of Christ. Even if he existed, he had been just with a humane and compassionate face. I can praise his character, may not be all of his teachings when they go against our Dharmic values.
Second, I have differented between the church and the Christians. Many of the nuns have been the victim of church's inmates. I also fully agree with the tenets of the so called Christianity is very similar to the Quranic one as far as their interface with the Hindus is concerned. We must be very cautious when dealing with them.

However, I differ with our treatment with the present day Christians. Many of them are just the victims of the Church's crusaders. Their forefathers have been dealt with cruelty and mothers/grandmothers have been torcherd/allured. So, those of the Christians who acknowledge these facts and realize that we were one and have been separated from the Hindus due to extreme sutuations, should be considered Bharateey Christians. We must open our doors to let them come back in our Dharmic home. In other words, there should be acceptance to the Hindu fold. The Christian brothers should realize while torchering the tribals that their great grand mothers might have undergone similar fates. Hence, they should mend their ways and accept Hinduism i.e. Bharteey way of living.

Many of the Christians have done it. Go to the following site:

www.agniveer.com

It's an opportunity for them to correct the historical compulsion. However, initiative will have to be taken by the Hindus by educating the Christians. Just beating chest and doing nothing will not bring about the desred result. So, take the initiative and don't be disappointed by the meagre result. It will take time but will become a wildfire. Just be stead fast. Please go to agniveer.com and align yourself. You may not be agree with them on all of their views.
Nemo
22/07/2012 07:27:20
1 - Satyen would delude himself AND others: Hindus ignore at their peril christianism's stated intention to convert the rest of India like it's done the northeast
1. bharatabharati.wordpress.com/ishwar-sharan-interview/
"In Tamil Nadu Christian slogans appear on Hindu pilgrim routes to Tirupati and on the route around Arunachala Hill at Tiruvannamalai that pilgrims circumambulate on full moon days. I am told that Christians plan to raise a cross on the hill’s summit when the opportunity arises. I am not at all surprised. The theoretical ground for this “good deed” has been laid years ago by Catholic theologians and missionaries like Fr. Raimundo Panikker and the Benedictine monk Abhishiktananda. THEY HAVE ALREADY CLAIMED the holy hill and ALL OF INDIA FOR CHRIST IN THEIR WRITINGS."

Note that their writings are a statement of their intention (just like Nagaland/Tripura/etc were claimed "for christ" before and been *made* so since). This intention was repeated once again and set in full motion by the pope's declaration to convert Asia when he visited India over a decade ago.

2. bharatabharati.wordpress.com/2012/05/31/a-hindu-calamity-gautam-sen/
Gautam Sen writes:
"And now the Congress party has precipitated a swingeing political imbroglio in India that threatens to accelerate the coup de grace being administered to Hindus. Its suspect President, [the faithful catholic] Sonia Gandhi has joined hands with Manmohan Singh, a privately-owned prime minister all of her own, to facilitate A NEFARIOUS ALLIANCE OF ISLAMIC JIHADIS AND CHRISTIAN EVANGELISTS for a final assault against Hindu India."
Christianism is the prime enabler of islam in India. Christianism and islam work in tandem (e.g. see Elst on how the "christian templeton foundation" hired crypto Meera Nanda to defend islam against the Hindu intellectual criticism of it. Christianism knows it can't take India without islam, so it enables islam in India such as via votebank, laws, privileges, illegal infiltration. The pro-islam cover while attacking Hindus in India also hides the *christianism* of the cryptochristian government.)
Nemo
22/07/2012 07:27:20
2 - Satyen would delude himself AND others: christianism intends to repeat the genocide in the northeast all over India. The south is next up
bharatabharati.wordpress.com/2012/06/18/have-hindus-already-been-defeated-gautam-sen/

where Gautam Sen writes:
"There is an unspoken seeming conviction that the danger to [Hindus] and India will only arise in the shape, if it ever does, of a full-scale frontal military assault by its enemies. That seems highly unlikely because India’s adversaries have found an infinitely less troublesome way of seizing India and finishing off Hindus and Hinduism once-and-for-all. The ADVANCE BY STEALTH, subverting India BY MANIPULATING ITS ELECTORAL POLITICS is now well advanced and accelerating because success in seizing its executive governance has proved extraordinarily easy.
...greater determination to consolidate the ongoing usurpation of the Indian State apparatus and advance even more rapidly. INDIA IS BEING LOST BIT BY BIT, with HINDUS BEING EXPELLED FROM BORDER REGIONS AND WHOLE AREAS of cities beyond official administrative access, even for undertaking a proper census. An entire swatch of States, across the Indian heartland as well as its border regions, has SUCCUMBED TO political ISLAM AND CHRISTIAN imperial stratagems. These areas are now governed by a political class that is only nominally Hindu and daily engaged in acts of sedition.
The anointed, quasi monarchical successor to supreme executive authority in India has declared privately that his most urgent task will be to combat alleged Hindu terror. He proposes, in effect, to wage war against India’s Hindus by fabricating canards, already a phenomenon in recent years.
...the entire SOUTH OF INDIA has become Christianised and/or Islamised in all but name. The ATHEISM ESPOUSED by its execrable POLITICIANS is a mere CHURCH-INSIPRED PLOY to keep Hindus at bay UNTIL an appropriate moment arrives to REVEAL THEIR militant CHRISTIAN LOYALTIES. The examples of the armed uprising of Nagaland and Mizoram will then be repeated, with demands for autonomy..."
Nemo
22/07/2012 07:27:20
3 - Satyen is deluding himself and others: jesus never existed, christianism=islam and by 2004 christian terror outfits had killed 2.5 times more Indians than islam
Jesus Never Existed, as was stated by the ancient Greeks and Romans down to biblical scholars in our time.

E.g. the very brilliant & learned 4th century Roman emperor Julian stated it. He wasn't just raised christian but was educated thoroughly in christianism by prominent christians. But he left christianism and reverted to his ancestral religion Hellenismos, because he had seen christianism for what it was.

In his work Contra Galilaeos ("Against the christians"), he dared the christians to produce any valid documented evidence for the existence of jesus and paul. If they could produce it, he dared them, they may call him a liar on everything. But the christians couldn't. So they burnt his books (only bits remain), just as they'd burnt those of other ancient GrecoRomans who had critiqued christianism.

Unlike self-deluding Hindus, Julian had a proper understanding of christianism and its true nature. So he declared, in the very opening to his work "Against The Christians", that christianism was an EVIL Lie. Not just any lie, but an evil one. It's been no different to humanity than islam, though islam's genocided fewer than christianism owing to its younger age.

The problem is not christians and muslims, but christianism and islam. Which is why Julian described christianism as a mental disease, and christians as its infected victims.

Those Hindus who are ready to overlook the massive genocide by CHRISTIANISM--of GrecoRomans, other Europeans, native Americans, Africans incl. Rwandans recently, and our own Hindus in Goa down to the ONGOING GENOCIDE of our own in the northeast--become accomplices in the crime. As per AFP news of 2004, 50000 out of the 70000 Indian terror fatalities in modern India are owing to christan terrorism. Not jihad.

So such Hindus may continue to defend christian terrorism when the same is repeated in their part of India. Anything less is hypocrisy after all.
Christianism=islam.
Excuse one and you should excuse the other.
mathew
22/07/2012 07:56:09
Stop this ...
Nemo, stop this cut-paste propaganda, which is more of a sign of inferiority-complex-induced hatred than of any 'scholarship' in the subject. There are bad Christians just like there are bad Hindus, but Christians, like their Hindu compatriots, are a peaceful community.
raj
22/07/2012 01:54:05
Christians getting a taste of their own medicine. from CRUSADE to JIHAD
We see hindu girls getting into love affair with pentecostal, csi christian boys and getting converted after marriage. can we not call it LOVE CRUSADE.
Ravi
22/07/2012 00:11:30
Horrible.
It is horrible. Usually married women and men are not considered for loving at all. No one even thinks amorously about a house wife. But that is for normal communities. The incidents of trapping married women are on the increase in India. Recent example is that Congress MLA (actually congress encourages this) from Assam has converted and married a muslim. If total number of such people considered their number may be very little in comparison to their new religion. But If we consider number of people used for terrorism from this group, the percentage would be high while comparing original people from that religion.
Satyen
21/07/2012 09:29:35
alliance with Bharteey Christians
I agree with Jerome for alliance between the Hindus and those Christians who promise not to entice or cheat the Hindus for proselytize and adopt Indian values. In general, the Christians are far better than the Muslims for example they are educated,don't indulge in polygamy and breeding children aggressively or love Jihad. However, the Church supports the maoists indirectly and some terrorist groups in the North Eastern region. Still Christians in general are not involved in these activities. So, most of the Christians can co exist friendly with the Hindus without any problem as the Parsis and Jews. Jesus as known historicaly was a great person (Of course not the Church) unlike Muhammad (as described in hadiths to have married 10 women at around age 50). Hindus should take initiative in this direction and this will change the landscape of Kerala. Christians should also think the Hndus as their partners and cousins and see their future with them for ever in India.
Nemo
21/07/2012 08:34:57
BBC news article for Sneha (and other sympathisers)
1. news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4190570.stm
Aug 2005 - "India rebels 'making porn films'"
'Rebels in India's north-eastern state of Tripura are making PORNographic FILMS to RAISE MONEY FOR THEIR SEPARATIST campaign, officials say.

The information has come from surrendered guerrillas of the National Liberation Front of Tripura (NLFT), according to police.
They say the rebels are FORCING CAPTURED tribal WOMEN, and some men, to take part in the films.
The former guerrillas of the NLFT have told police their leaders not only sexually ABUSED scores of tribal girls RECRUITED INTO THE REBEL ARMY but also used them - and some male guerrillas - to PRODUCE scores of PORN FILMS, officials say.

Production houses say rebels give them good money for their work
"We know the insurgents are behind these films. When we process their raw stock, we can see boys standing around with automatic rifles and revolvers pulling in girls but we are supposed to cut all that out and just concentrate on the sex," the owner [of a production house] said.

But while FORCING tribal women to have sex with them AT GUNPOINT or CARRYING THEM AWAY TO THE REBEL CAMPS is not new, using them to produce pornography certainly is.'

2. Recall that the NLFT is a CHRISTIAN terrorist organisation:

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/717775.stm
April, 2000 - "Church backing Tripura rebels"

"The NLFT manifesto says that they WANT TO EXPAND what they describe as the KINGDOM OF GOD AND CHRIST IN TRIPURA."

Now tell me, Sneha, since the CHRISTIAN terrorist outfit NLFT is raping--then recruiting--"tribal" (code for Hindu) women, including for porn movies from which the NLFT raise funds for further christian terrorism,
how is this CHRISTIAN LOVE CRUSADE different from the islamic love jihad that also recruits from other people?

Or is Sneha just another hypocritical cryptochristian, here to hiss at the love jihad while pretending christianism doesn't do the same convert-or-kill routine?
Jerome
21/07/2012 03:44:32
Instead of converting Hindus, we should stop converting our girls by Muslims

In most cases, we are loosing our only daughter or sister. It shows, how they are destroying our faith.

In most of the cases in big cities, number of Christian students in Catholic schools are reducing day by day. We are loosing our girls, mainly due to the carelessness of the male members of the family. Father or brother don't take their responsibilities. Most of our boys are alcoholic and irresponsible to family values.

We can not even imagine about our fellow christian of Pakistan and their religious freedom. India is secular because of the majority Hindus. We should join together with Hindu organisations to face common enemies like Marxists and Muslim communal forces. How we stood together and got into power in Goa is an example.

In Kerala too, we can repeat the same victory. I want to ask Muslims, who made Hindus BJP ideologists ? India was divided because of the communal politics of Muslims (Mulim League), they thought they can not live with Hindus. Pakistan is a most dangerous nation in the world, not because Hindus are killing Muslims, but Muslims are killing Muslims.

BJP was born due to the hates and cruelty generated by Muslim fanatics against Hindus. It was not the wish of the majority Hindus to bring BJP to power, but Muslim fanatics forced them to do so and they were not born as BJP, they were either Congress men or Communists, so they are struggling now to keep their culture alive.
Sneha
21/07/2012 02:28:45
No cruelty to the human being than converting innocents

Most of the 50% of Goans & Manglore Christian females residing in big cities are over. Muslims trap, after elope, thereafter convert their religion for marrying. Finally they throw them out. Hindus comes thereafter.

The differences between Muslims and Christians are : One use and throw, destroy them totally. Other one is happy to convert and would like to keep alive.
Vilasni
21/07/2012 01:29:11
love jihad - christian council
What are they complaining about, they are just getting a taste of their own medicine,that's all. Now they know how it feels when they go around cheating and converting innocent and ignorant Hindus, using all kinds of lies and enticements.
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